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Gitmoji – Yay or Nay?

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Re: Gitmoji – Yay or Nay?

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Post by naniwaduni »

WalterBright wrote: post #71
Aeolun wrote: post #69

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> [tulip emoji] Is that what it looks like for you? For me it’s a flame (which seems to make more sense for removing code).

Yeah, it looks like a black tulip. As for a flame, I don't associate fire with removing things. Frankly, emoji and icons may work for things but they don't and never have worked for actions . Apple, for example, never did come up with an icon for "print" that people didn't have to be told what it meant. Apple could have saved a lot of grief by using "print" instead of the icon. (The same for "delete".) Back in my day…

I assume they used a bundle of dollars to represent cache!

Re: Gitmoji – Yay or Nay?

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Post by MisterTea »

iainmerrick wrote: post #17

Why do people feel the need to standardize these things? Emoji used occasionally are fun and refreshing and can draw attention to important commits. Emoji used by default become line noise. To paraphrase Goodhart’s Law, when a joke becomes a standard it ceases to be fun. I also object to the details of the categorization. Some tags split up tasks that really should be done together (eg fixing bugs and updating tests,…

> Why do people feel the need to standardize these things?

I'm of the opinion that these kinds of silly arguments seem to be made by people who like hearing themselves talk. They want their name on something. They want to feel like they were a part of something. It's all ego. The rest of us are happy with pragmatism and archaic things like text, which is made of glyphs which form words which we speak.

Re: Gitmoji – Yay or Nay?

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Post by MisterTea »

greggman2 wrote: post #159
rahuldottech wrote: post #3

That's a no from me. I am not a huge fan of emoji. Especially not in the cli or editor. Emoji are hard to type on non-mobile platforms, and are difficult to search for in logs or files. Often they don't render properly. They're near impossible to deal with from the command-line. Not to mention the accessibility issues. I see no reason why these cannot be accomplished with tags/flairs such as [critical], [bug], etc. T…

They're hard to type? On Mac is Cmd-Ctrl-Space on Windows its Win-Period I generally find those against emoji to be unintentionally racist since other cultures have been using various characters for decades if not longer

> I generally find those against emoji to be unintentionally racist since other cultures have been using various characters for decades if not longer

Sure. Some writing systems use singular glyphs to represent an entire word. We're not talking about those. We're talking about using using a picture of lipstick to represent updating UI and style files and other silly suggestions. I'm not sure how you confused the two.

Re: Gitmoji – Yay or Nay?

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Post by iaml »

warent wrote: post #166
gear54rus wrote: post #149

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And imagine how much programming and debugging effort could be saved worldwide if everyone did as you and I do.

This is completely absurd. English is my only language but I would never hope for something like this. We're not supposed to cater to the needs of our tools; we're supposed to make technology cater to our needs. Following your logic to its natural conclusion, think about how much programming and debugging effort could be saved worldwide if we just stopped using machines and their features altogether.

As a counterexample, when I open some lib's repo and see comments in code are non-english, I just close it and don't use the lib. Not because I'm a racist, mind you, but because it complicates trying to understand/modify it by unreasonable amount of time. When I'm working I have to deal with spec requirements in other languages too, which is also troublesome. I kinda agree with gp on this, things would be much, much simpler.

Re: Gitmoji – Yay or Nay?

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Post by chrisseaton »

kps wrote: post #187
chrisseaton wrote: post #99

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> I don't like text that looks differently for everyone depending on the platform they're on. But we already have fonts that make the Latin alphabet look different on different platforms. > if caterpillar becomes a butterfly because of some mundane idea, is it still going to be instantly recognizable as a bug? Yes? Didn’t Hopper tape a moth ‘bug’ into her notebook?

> But we already have fonts that make the Latin alphabet look different on different platforms. But the differences in appearance are abstracted away; the whole point of an alphabet is that it's a small fixed set of symbols. Conversely if you see 𓀪 on one platform and 𓀫 on another, you have no idea whether the difference is meaningful or decorative.

> the whole point of an alphabet is that it's a small fixed set of symbols

Emoji is an alphabet. There's a fixed set. I know they look different on different platforms but it's the same Emoji. Just like how an A here looks different to an A on Twitter. A vomiting face emoji conveys the same thing however it's drawn.

Re: Gitmoji – Yay or Nay?

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Post by kaens »

> A positive outcome of using gitmoji is the fact that it forces you to think through the content and message of your commits to a larger extent.

It really doesn't. My personal experience with people using them is that the content and message of the commits is the same quality as they are without them, but now they also have a pretty picture on the front of them.

It can encourage people to think more about their commits but I can't say I've seen a correlation.

I don't mind people wanting some "personality" in their commit one-liners, but it's the message and not the icon that adds value.

Re: Gitmoji – Yay or Nay?

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Post by emilecantin »

big_chungus wrote: post #121
chrisseaton wrote: post #114

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How do I write a letter to my fiancé? What do I do when I want to take a break and go to a café? How can I write about that cornerstone of English myth and legend, Bēowulf?

You write just like everyone normally writes, by dropping the accent. I only see such spellings when people are trying to convey some sort of sophistication, rather than in casual, day-to-day use.

My first name is Émile. This is not some attempt at sophistication, it's just my name. It's kind of sad to see that even a simple accent like that is butchered by so many sites (I often see my name written as Ä©~mile)

Re: Gitmoji – Yay or Nay?

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Post by big_chungus »

emilecantin wrote: post #197
big_chungus wrote: post #121

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You write just like everyone normally writes, by dropping the accent. I only see such spellings when people are trying to convey some sort of sophistication, rather than in casual, day-to-day use.

My first name is Émile. This is not some attempt at sophistication, it's just my name. It's kind of sad to see that even a simple accent like that is butchered by so many sites (I often see my name written as Ä©~mile)

Other languages figured out good compromises, e.g. Dostoyevsky is transliterated from Достоевский; the name of China's current dictator doesn't even render in my browser, but is transliterated to Jinping Xi. German passports have the German version for humans, and a standardized, transliterated version for computers. Gößmann becomes GOESSMANN. I see no reason why the same thing can't happen; just drop the accent from the E. Also, for some reason, my browser shows that E as having no accent, if you want an illustration of the problem.

Re: Gitmoji – Yay or Nay?

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Post by nkrisc »

dpau wrote: post #180
big_chungus wrote: post #121

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You write just like everyone normally writes, by dropping the accent. I only see such spellings when people are trying to convey some sort of sophistication, rather than in casual, day-to-day use.

it's weird that when i search for "cafe dictionary" in google all the dictionaries except the Oxford Learner's Dictionary spell it as "café"

And most dictionaries have something to the effect of:

Variants: cafe

Re: Gitmoji – Yay or Nay?

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Post by nkrisc »

tuwtuwtuwtuw wrote: post #186
nkrisc wrote: post #130

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And yet accents and diacritical marks are not widely used nor any longer exclusively "proper." You're fighting a losing battle. Language is changing underneath you, no matter how tightly you cling to it.

What battle are you referring to? A large majority of the world's population is speaking languages containing characters outside of ASCII. ASCII has no relevant future.

But this subthread is specifically about ASCII and English. So you point, while valid and true, is not relevant to this specific subthread.

I respectfully suggest you read my posts in this subthread because I don't believe you have. Instead, you appear to have taken my comment on accents in English completely out of context.

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