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Re: Ultrasound destroys 80 percent of prostate cancers in one-year study

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Post by johnpowell »

red9350 wrote: post #56
johnpowell wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I went 40 years without getting a flu shot because I was terrified of needles. And I mean I would look away if someone was getting a shot on tv. Absolutely terrified of needles. A little over a year ago I was diagnosed with cancer. I have had all my teeth removed, had a feeding tube (PEG) installed, chemo, liver biopsy, and more random horrible shit. I went from terrified of needles to getting more of them than I can…

Why did you have your teeth removed?

Mouth/neck cancer. 35 treatments of radiation. It has been a year and my gums are still destroyed.

My teeth were not in the best shape going into this. But the risk was high that the radiation would kill my teeth and need to be removed anyway. The problem here is that I was going to be monumentally fucked from the radiation/chemo and they weren't sure my body could handle pulling teeth if they died.

And dead teeth just sitting in there could cause osteonecrosis of the jaw. Essentially a dead jaw. Then they would have to remove my jaw and that would be insane. So I opted to just have all my teeth pulled in one shot and get dentures later. And it wasn't some random dentist looking to profit saying I needed to have them pulled. Two ear, neck and throat doctors, a oral surgeon, two oncologists, and a radiologists all agreed that it was essential.

Re: Ultrasound destroys 80 percent of prostate cancers in one-year study

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Post by 1_over_n »

always_swapping wrote: post #36
pstuart wrote: post #27

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Off topic, but if it could shrink the prostrate (to treat BPH) with similar technology that would be awesome. And after a quick search it looks like there's some movement there: https://fusfoundation.org/diseases-and-conditions/urological... @HorizonXP, any thoughts on this and it's potential to go mainstream? Asking for a friend...

It seems that 29 centers in the US do this type of FUS treatment commercially as listed on the FUSF website. Any focused ultrasound tech has potential to gain wide acceptance but it is mostly the imaging component (MRI guided in most cases) that hold it back due to costs and availability.

Stupid question, could it be guided with something lower tech like ultrasound itself rather than MRI?

Re: Ultrasound destroys 80 percent of prostate cancers in one-year study

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Post by dorfsmay »

chollida1 wrote: post #50
hristov wrote: post #48

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By the way, your family member is probably aware of this but there is another ultrasound treatment option for prostate cancer that is completely non-invasive. It is called hifu. https://www.hifu-prostate.com/ Hifu sends ultrasound from a curved emitter from outside the body in such a manner that the ultrasound ray will be focused on the treatment area. Thus, while you have ultrasound going through your body, only in…

Can confirm and sing the praises of HiFu. Went to China so my spouse could have a procedure done in 2014. HiFu took 1-2 hours and my wife walked away from the procedure. She was hiking the next day. Tumor was shrinking almost immediately. The alternatives we had were surgery that would have removed part of her abs or weekly treatments of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tamoxifen Neither of which was great. Now we had t…

For which cancers does this procedure work (assuming your wife didn't have prostate cancer)?

I understand 25 k USD feels reasonable if it saves your life without surgery and it's complications, but it steep for "just ultrasound". Do you know why it was that expensive?

Re: Ultrasound destroys 80 percent of prostate cancers in one-year study

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Post by ryanmercer »

johnpowell wrote: post #53
tonyedgecombe wrote: post #2

>The minimally invasive technology involves a rod that enters the prostate gland via the urethra Ouch.

I went 40 years without getting a flu shot because I was terrified of needles. And I mean I would look away if someone was getting a shot on tv. Absolutely terrified of needles. A little over a year ago I was diagnosed with cancer. I have had all my teeth removed, had a feeding tube (PEG) installed, chemo, liver biopsy, and more random horrible shit. I went from terrified of needles to getting more of them than I can…

My mother had thyroid cancer the better part of a decade ago, just the one dose of the radioactive iodine sabotaged her teeth to. Like you she didn't have the best of dental health as it was but she's been losing a few teeth a year since.

My father died of cancer just before I turned 13 and he wasn't sick very long, over the course of a year or so he had a port installed, had a roughly horseshoe shaped and size scar on his scalp, had headgear bolted into his skull in multiple locations and the day we had to take him to the ER he had worked all day and by that night was effectively drowning in is own bodily fluids with his lungs mostly full of fluid at which point he went on a respirator, went unconscious and was taken off life support less than a week later.

Cancer sucks man, I'm sorry you got dealt that hand.

Re: Ultrasound destroys 80 percent of prostate cancers in one-year study

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Post by 3JPLW »

mooreed wrote: post #34

As someone whose family member recently just received a test showing elevated PSA levels (Prostate Cancer indicator); this article is a very real blessing. # Baseline issues with prostate cancer that suck. 1. Don't treat a benign version and possibly live with trouble urinating and follow on problems from that. 2. Don't treat a malignant version and die 3. Treat it and potentially be impotent 4. Treat it and end up w…

My very naive understanding of ultrasound techniques is that they can work very well, but in cases where they don't work they end up creating a mess of things (scar tissue, etc) that make subsequent removal pretty much impossible as the surgeon can no longer see clear boundaries. That info is several years out of date and second-hand, so perhaps by guiding the process a little better as TFA suggests they can avoid making any subsequent surgery impossible.

Re: Ultrasound destroys 80 percent of prostate cancers in one-year study

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Post by Omavshiklo »

bduerst wrote: post #32
bawana wrote: post #24

This commenter said it best John Otvos DECEMBER 8, 2019 06:19 AM There’s no free lunch here by treating any disease, let alone pc with some form of invasive therapy. Nerves do get damaged. Cells are set on fire and left to die. In order to reach a man’s doughnut, the treatment regime must pass through many layers of cellular tissue to ‘hit’ the target area. Our healthcare system, whether here in Canada, or stateside,…

Can we not spread these pseudoscience lies on HN? Steve Jobs died in part because he believed he could cure his pancreatic cancer with herbal remedies and diet, which you're espousing.

It is possible that Steve Jobs died from complications of Kaposi's sarcoma.

http://file.wikileaks.org/file/steve-jobs-hiv/steve-jobs-hiv...

http://file.wikileaks.org/file/steve-jobs-hiv/steve-jobs-hiv...

https://wikileaks.org/wiki/Steve_Jobs_purported_HIV_medical_...

Release date January 15, 2009 Summary

Two photos, purporting to be part of Apple CEO Steven P. Jobs medical file, show a HIV positive status. The two photos have been spread over email, and appeared in a number of Internet publications, including CNN's "ireport", which previously released a false death report for Mr. Jobs.

The results by HIV testing company SxCheck are dated 1 Sep 2004. Though SxCheck's website did not launch until 2006[1], its parent company Adult Industry Medical Health Care Foundation has existed since the 1980s[2]. It is thus plausible that the results are a re-issue of earlier tests associated with its parent company. SxCheck's website advertises "decades of experience"[3].

If Steve Jobs did have HIV, it is possible that his pancreatic cancer was a Kaposi's sarcoma, which are noted to emulate pancreatic cancer in HIV-positive patients[4]. Steve Jobs also follows a diet occasionally recommended to AIDS patients as an alternative therapy[5].

A close inspection of the second image reveals that Mr. Jobs personal details are slightly misaligned and do not follow the perspective of the surrounding text. "Born" in the "Birth date" field is also unusual, although not by itself a key signature of fabrication.

The social security number, on the other hand, is of a valid structure and was issued in California, although it is unknown if it is Mr. Jobs.

As Apple, Inc's stock price depends in part on the health of Mr. Jobs, stock speculators are motivated to introduce information critical of Mr. Jobs health.

Due to the contradictory dates, possible evidence of forgery, strong motivations for fabrication, and few motivations for a legitimate revelation, the images should not be taken at face value.

Re: Ultrasound destroys 80 percent of prostate cancers in one-year study

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Post by ryanmercer »

Waterluvian wrote: post #14
giancarlostoro wrote: post #11

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Just when I was freaking the hell out I read this and realized, yeah, knock me the hell out. Don't even wake me up till long after. I'm wondering if it's just that the tool scrapes it out or something. As painful as it is to think about.

And then of course in this huge wild planet of ours there's people who get a kick out of doing that for fun.

So, I clear international freight through customs for a living. Maybe a decade ago we had this shipment from a now defunct website that was (I think, maybe it had the c) 'fuk.it'. In the package were various 'sexual toys'. Some sort of electronic shock device, some comically large anal 'toy' and a 'deep hole dick spreader' which was a urethral sound being marketed as a sex 'toy'.

We had to go to the website to try and figure out how to classify the stuff with names like the above and 'colon snake' and not only did they sell these torture implements but they sold a variety of -caine local anesthetics.

Humans never cease to amaze and confuse me.

Re: Ultrasound destroys 80 percent of prostate cancers in one-year study

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Post by BurningFrog »

fortran77 wrote: post #52
BurningFrog wrote: post #19

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Prostate cancer is rarely lethal since it develops so slowly, and is often left untreated. That said, many cases are life threatening.

My father died from metastasized prostate cancer. While statistically your statement may be true (in that a large number of people die of something else before the prostate cancer kills them) it's still a lethal cancer that kills more men each year than breast cancer kills women.

This is 100% true, and I could have made that clearer.

Another reason it's left untreated is that the surgery side effects are fairly serious.

Re: Ultrasound destroys 80 percent of prostate cancers in one-year study

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Post by cperciva »

HorizonXP wrote: post #18

I did my Masters' thesis with the group that invented and developed this in Toronto. I know some of the co-authors on the paper personally since we worked together. AMA.

The first thing I always think about with ultrasound is how it's used to break up kidney stones. Is there a danger here of breaking up the tumour and thereby allowing cancer cells to spread through the body more easily?

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Post by always_swapping »

1_over_n wrote: post #62
always_swapping wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It seems that 29 centers in the US do this type of FUS treatment commercially as listed on the FUSF website. Any focused ultrasound tech has potential to gain wide acceptance but it is mostly the imaging component (MRI guided in most cases) that hold it back due to costs and availability.

Stupid question, could it be guided with something lower tech like ultrasound itself rather than MRI?

There is work being done in the area but the interesting part is that the MRI isn't only used for its direct imaging but also the ability to use it as a very expensive thermometer[1].

Not every procedure lends well to alternative imaging modality (Brain surgery is one) but ultrasound guided FUS is really where there is potential to increase adoption.

[1] http://rsl.stanford.edu/kim/Overviewpages/PRF.html

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