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Re: Cairo Desktop Environment

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I used to love this once, when you're a child it feels like hacking, like forcing Windows to have a second start menu (if you make the new toolbar small enough, the folder contents appear as a menu).

Yeah, you have to fiddle a bit to get them to minimum width with the ">>" menu and no extra space. Obvious search is more or less good enough now, but you still can't drag from the start menu.

A long time ago (Windows 98? 2000?), you can add the IE address bar to the taskbar, but it also had auto-complete for directories, so if you wanted to open C:\Projects\Foobar\main.c you could just type a few letters and open that file. It also let you drag and drop the icon (where IE would show you the favicon) to any open program. Sadly this behavior got changed later, so drag & drop no longer works...

Re: Cairo Desktop Environment

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I was sad when shell replacements stopped being as much of a thing; all the way back to Windows 3 and up to ar least Windows XP there were well designed alternatives to the default Windows shell environment. A good example of an early one is Norton Shell for Windows: http://toastytech.com/guis/ndw.html Then later there were things such as LiteStep, bbZero and even KDE at a time. Personally, I actually used ReactOS sh…

Do you know what changed recently? The last one I used with an alternative shell was windows 2k and the shells replaced shell.exe. is that not doable these days?

The old method of changing the default shell still works. Although I don't think you replace/move explorer.exe anymore, but just change registry keys. When used in embedded systems or kiosks, this type of functionality is commonly needed, so it is unlikely to change.

When I talked about things changing, it was more regarding changes that:

- Improve security and stability by disallowing software from invading other address spaces to do patching.

- Prevent modification of the operating system itself, by more thoroughly enforcing signature checking, file integrity, and with periodic large system updates that are effectively like full Windows version upgrades.

These improvements may make Windows more secure and stable for users, but combined with modern PCs that come with Secure Boot enabled by default (and unfortunately, some that came with Secure Boot forcibly enabled during the Windows 8 era,) it makes modifications and customizations more challenging.

There's no clean mechanism for which a piece of software like WindowBlinds can exist, and indeed, sometimes running Stardock software in modern Windows can be troublesome. A while back I hit a bug in WindowFX that effectively bricked your Windows install if you were running with Hyper-V enabled. It was fixed by Stardock but nonetheless, with a living OS like Windows 10, breaks like this can happen more often, without warning, and there's still not good alternatives for lots of customization stuff.

It's interesting because there are actually still lots of ways in which Windows lets software extend the operating system - probably more than any other operating system, but most of them are very old and not very reliable/stable.

Re: Cairo Desktop Environment

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Has anyone actually tried this? I'm curious but if I don't like it and uninstall it I'm afraid of weird glitchy behaviors and a broken shell and I really don't feel like reinstalling Windows right now.

Perhaps you could install it with Windows Sandbox. Low risk.

I completely forgot about Sandbox - fantastic idea!

Re: Cairo Desktop Environment

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Yeah, you have to fiddle a bit to get them to minimum width with the ">>" menu and no extra space. Obvious search is more or less good enough now, but you still can't drag from the start menu.

A long time ago (Windows 98? 2000?), you can add the IE address bar to the taskbar, but it also had auto-complete for directories, so if you wanted to open C:\Projects\Foobar\main.c you could just type a few letters and open that file. It also let you drag and drop the icon (where IE would show you the favicon) to any open program. Sadly this behavior got changed later, so drag & drop no longer works...

Yeah, I think I used this, even justifying a two-row taskbar for a while. There even used to be a Google widget to search from the taskbar (and yet here I am instantly turning off web searches in the start menu out of sheer disgust).

Re: Cairo Desktop Environment

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Has anyone actually tried this? I'm curious but if I don't like it and uninstall it I'm afraid of weird glitchy behaviors and a broken shell and I really don't feel like reinstalling Windows right now.

Perhaps you could install it with Windows Sandbox. Low risk.

There are bugs that make it unusable.

Re: Cairo Desktop Environment

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I used to use this on a regular basis, unfortunately it still has a lot of bugs (sometimes reproducible, sometimes not) which made me switch to classic windows environment with conemu maximus.

Re: Cairo Desktop Environment

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but I can't tap a keyboard letter to jump down the list Works for me: Win key, down arrow to get into list (otherwise it will search everything), typing a letter jumps to that letter. Bonus tip, sometimes useful: Ctrl+arrows resizes start menu. Candy Crush Slot Machine Simular Redux That sucks, yes, but right-click + uninstall seems to get rid of it once and for all.

That Ctl+arrows key to resize the Start Menu I didn't know about. Thanks!

Figuring out these things is fairly easy: Windows is quite involved when it comes to using keyboard, so usually when I'm in a new environment I try a bunch of typical keyboard strokes to see which ones react.

Re: Cairo Desktop Environment

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Instead of replacing windows shell like this I currently use Rainmeter. Very flexible on what you can do. I currently have a shortcut bar, a datetime display, a spotify now playing and controller, a sound spectrum viewer, system stats like processor, ram, hd space etc. Really useful; The best thing is that you download these elements as Skins, and then you can modify their code and assets at will. Really easy to do so. Very little processing power required too.

Re: Cairo Desktop Environment

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This part of the description really hit home: "Never again waste time hunting for applications in poorly organized menus." The Windows Start menu is terrible, and it's the most iconic part of MS Windows, or it has been to me since the "Start me up" campaign for W95 (one of the best tech ad campaigns not made by Apple in my opinion). And now it is a place where I struggle to activate (?!) the scrollbar. It's an alphab…

but I can't tap a keyboard letter to jump down the list Works for me: Win key, down arrow to get into list (otherwise it will search everything), typing a letter jumps to that letter. Bonus tip, sometimes useful: Ctrl+arrows resizes start menu. Candy Crush Slot Machine Simular Redux That sucks, yes, but right-click + uninstall seems to get rid of it once and for all.

The Start Menu tips work great, never thought to try arrow keys first. And resizing the menu is brilliant, thanks for this!

Now if I could just stop the games from magically re-appearing in my Start Menu after a Windows Update...

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