My only worry is airlines will make this an upgrade. Economy "special" or something like that to charge $100 more per seat. We already have quite a few sub classes in economy.
New airplane seat design to make it easier to sleep in economy
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Re: New airplane seat design to make it easier to sleep in economy
#422Earlier quoted context omitted.
This is actually a serious problem to me. Regardless of how interesting I find them, meetings at work trigger something deep inside me that cause me to sleep. It’s like a biological switch has been flipped. Cavemen talking around a fire into the night, getting ready for the long rest for the day ahead... Sometimes I fall into a fugue in which I am semi-aware and a dream fills in part of the speech of meetings. I hear…
I thought I was the only person with a serious case of useless-meeting narcolepsy. Keeping relatively active helps, just like taking walks roughly every hour at minimum during work. If I'm absolutely going to sleep I'll stop paying attention and focus on my work, but then I'll miss opportunities to talk when needed. I'll owe my career to anyone who can find a solution.
Maybe don't see meetings as "opportunities to talk?" If that's all they are at your company, pushing for clear agendas and strong meeting facilitation might work.
Re: New airplane seat design to make it easier to sleep in economy
#423Wow, I can’t believe how dismissive most of the comments here are. The idea of adding folding wings to existing seat dimensions could be a huge, huge improvement for sleeping on flights. No, it’s not changing or solving anything else. Yes the model is tiny. No this isn’t solving existing recline issues if you’re 6’5”. If you have incredibly broad shoulders then you might not be able to use the wings but you can still…
I think you are just dismissing the fact that people have genuine grievances, even if they are not only not expressing themselves properly because they probably feel utterly powerless, but also because they likely don't quite understand how their own actions lead to the current situation.
Is it not legitimate to point out that they either used an old looking 6 year old girl, photoshopped the heck out of that image, or the seat is not at all to dimension of the common airplane seat. Seriously, I have broad shoulders … not even the broadest … and I have a hard time just keeping my shoulders within my space due to the laws of physics being violated by the seat widths on these planes these days.
I don't think it is fair of you to just dismiss the growing frustrations towards legitimate issues, even if those expressing them are having to deal with the consequences of their own values that translated into what they supported and that then translated into actions and inactions taken by government and industry.
I hate to break it to you people, but between "free" money being printed by basically all central banks, unfettered "immigration", the sellout to China and India, environmental regulation and capture that will make flying ever more expensive once the environmentalists realize just how damaging flying is, affirmative action and diversity type policies that cause all kinds of inefficiencies and conflicts and collisions in systems, among several other things … will all only make this situation far worse.
Some way blather something about how new technology will develop new planes, but reality is that it will not lead to wider seats, only more seats wide. The designs are already baked into the production lines at this point and all fuselage designs ALL are designed to specs for getting more seats in width wise, not wider seats.
If people wanted wider seats, they should have pushed through legislation requiring certain seat widths on human rights grounds about 10 or 15 years ago. You would never be able to get anything like that pushed through unless some wily judge is willing to throw wrenches into the aerospace industry gears.
Re: New airplane seat design to make it easier to sleep in economy
#424Earlier quoted context omitted.
A380s are 2-4-2 on the upper deck economy, 3-4-3 on the lower deck. And it looks like the original floor plans for the 350-900 were 2-4-2 but all the floor plans I can find from airlines and booking sites are 3-3-3 (the odd premium economy looks to be 2-4-2 but not regular economy).
Air Caraibes goes 3-4-3 in its A350-900. That's very tight, as the A350 is really intended to be 3-3-3 in economy. https://www.seatguru.com/airlines/Air_Caraibes/Air_Caraibes_...
Frenchbee also run them 3-4-3: https://www.seatguru.com/airlines/French_bee_Airlines/French...
Unlike Lufthansa which runs them 3-3-3: https://www.seatguru.com/airlines/Lufthansa/Lufthansa_Airbus...
Interestingly enough that means they're 32'' pitch 16'' width, where most airlines run those 31'' 17''. So depending on your body size, one can be worse than the other...
Re: New airplane seat design to make it easier to sleep in economy
#425Wow, I can’t believe how dismissive most of the comments here are. The idea of adding folding wings to existing seat dimensions could be a huge, huge improvement for sleeping on flights. No, it’s not changing or solving anything else. Yes the model is tiny. No this isn’t solving existing recline issues if you’re 6’5”. If you have incredibly broad shoulders then you might not be able to use the wings but you can still…
note that "the model" is the writer of the story.
these seats are an improvement but airlines have long been user hostile, so it's understandable that folks are skeptical.
Re: New airplane seat design to make it easier to sleep in economy
#426I wish airlines would just pump knockout gas into the cabin so I can skip the whole flight experience.
Re: New airplane seat design to make it easier to sleep in economy
#427Wow, I can’t believe how dismissive most of the comments here are. The idea of adding folding wings to existing seat dimensions could be a huge, huge improvement for sleeping on flights. No, it’s not changing or solving anything else. Yes the model is tiny. No this isn’t solving existing recline issues if you’re 6’5”. If you have incredibly broad shoulders then you might not be able to use the wings but you can still…
It's hard not to be cynical, especially when some airlines have solved this problem the old fashioned way - by providing a reasonable amount of space in the first place. I'd rather airlines find a way to match the dimensions of Jet Blue than come up with "innovations" that make their unrealistic seat dimensions slightly less miserable.
Re: New airplane seat design to make it easier to sleep in economy
#428Earlier quoted context omitted.
This is why you always bring a coffee to presentations/meetings. Even if caffeine is not strong enough to stop you from falling asleep the activity of picking up a cup and taking a sip every few minutes will do.
I didn't get hooked on coffee until I started at Boeing. There's nothing like Boeing MIL-STD coffee. It was years before I realized that my Sunday morning headaches were caffeine withdrawal (I'm really not very smart). I still like my coffee black and tasting like industrial waste.
Ha, that's funny. I drink an extra cup of coffee when I get to the office, to add to the one I have with breakfast at home.
I would get the worst headache on the weekends until I realized my body was expecting that second cup.
Re: New airplane seat design to make it easier to sleep in economy
#429Wow, I can’t believe how dismissive most of the comments here are. The idea of adding folding wings to existing seat dimensions could be a huge, huge improvement for sleeping on flights. No, it’s not changing or solving anything else. Yes the model is tiny. No this isn’t solving existing recline issues if you’re 6’5”. If you have incredibly broad shoulders then you might not be able to use the wings but you can still…
note that "the model" is the writer of the story. these seats are an improvement but airlines have long been user hostile, so it's understandable that folks are skeptical.
I don't agree. Users are hostile to their own comfort, with the vast majority of travelers focused exclusively on price. Air travel has never been cheaper, and a less comfortable seat is a big part of that tradeoff.
Re: New airplane seat design to make it easier to sleep in economy
#430Wow, I can’t believe how dismissive most of the comments here are. The idea of adding folding wings to existing seat dimensions could be a huge, huge improvement for sleeping on flights. No, it’s not changing or solving anything else. Yes the model is tiny. No this isn’t solving existing recline issues if you’re 6’5”. If you have incredibly broad shoulders then you might not be able to use the wings but you can still…
It's hard not to be cynical, especially when some airlines have solved this problem the old fashioned way - by providing a reasonable amount of space in the first place. I'd rather airlines find a way to match the dimensions of Jet Blue than come up with "innovations" that make their unrealistic seat dimensions slightly less miserable.
The issue is how capitalism works. No one wants to pay a 1000$ for a domestic flight, but that's the only way you're getting personal space. Flights in the past were expensive, but comfortable.
It's not a right to have space and affordability.