People have been beating the same "IPv4's time is running out" drum since the late 90's apparently
It isn't running out. It is out. I edited out over and replaced it with depleted to satisfy the concern about the headline, but I didn't even like doing that. The cavalier attitude that "nothing is really wrong, keep doing what we're doing" has been an extensive contributor to the problematic situation we're in right now. People have been beating the drum, as you say, because this day was foreseen more than a decade…
So, why hasn't IBM, GE, MIT, and other legacies been offered a little cash to move back to a handful of class Bs? I mean, Stanford did it...
People have been beating the same "IPv4's time is running out" drum since the late 90's apparently
It isn't running out. It is out. I edited out over and replaced it with depleted to satisfy the concern about the headline, but I didn't even like doing that. The cavalier attitude that "nothing is really wrong, keep doing what we're doing" has been an extensive contributor to the problematic situation we're in right now. People have been beating the drum, as you say, because this day was foreseen more than a decade…
> "It isn't running out. It is out."
I think that's an unfair assessment.
When every ipv4 address is actually used, it'll have run out. We're a long long way away from that scenario though.
Yeah, take your pick. It was kind of a joke but the reality is already starting to make itself known. It used to be that every cable modem and many DSLs got public addresses even if they weren't static. It's getting more and more rare.
IPv4 won't die overnight, or even any time soon but there is likely to be an uncomfortable transition period where it becomes difficult for people like me who like to have static publics to get them cheaply, or at all.
It isn't running out. It is out. I edited out over and replaced it with depleted to satisfy the concern about the headline, but I didn't even like doing that. The cavalier attitude that "nothing is really wrong, keep doing what we're doing" has been an extensive contributor to the problematic situation we're in right now. People have been beating the drum, as you say, because this day was foreseen more than a decade…
> "It isn't running out. It is out." I think that's an unfair assessment. When every ipv4 address is actually used , it'll have run out. We're a long long way away from that scenario though. Vast ranges are "allocated" but "unused".
I meant that its time is out, not the addresses themselves.
It isn't running out. It is out. I edited out over and replaced it with depleted to satisfy the concern about the headline, but I didn't even like doing that. The cavalier attitude that "nothing is really wrong, keep doing what we're doing" has been an extensive contributor to the problematic situation we're in right now. People have been beating the drum, as you say, because this day was foreseen more than a decade…
So, why hasn't IBM, GE, MIT, and other legacies been offered a little cash to move back to a handful of class Bs? I mean, Stanford did it...
Because they realize the monetary value of their claim.
I asked this question on a similar article that gained no traction here recently: what do I, as a regular user of the internet, hosting no domains, and with no real responsibility for any website technicals, need to do about this? (Or what can I do about this?) Do I need to request something from my ISP? Lobby them to see if they take it seriously? Or do I have little choice but to hang around, feeling smug because I…
Nothing. Even if you host websites, nothing until ipv4 actually gets scarce or costly. Just because all ipv4 address space is "allocated" doesn't mean it's used or even allocated to end users. I'd start worrying when you have to pay a lot of money to get a second IP on a server for example. That'll probably be years away.... still good to read up on ipv6 though.
Years away? Gosh! Depends a bit on where you want your servers to be located, I guess, but still. For a lot of server hosting customers, prices for additional IPs have already increased steadily over the last few months. But don't take my word for it, here's a bit from a recent APNIC announcement, for example:
"APNIC expects normal allocations to continue for a further three to six months."
Anyone know how the transition in China is going? My employer sells networking products there, and all Chinese customers require IPv6 support. It would be interesting to know if it's rolled out to consumers yet.
I asked this question on a similar article that gained no traction here recently: what do I, as a regular user of the internet, hosting no domains, and with no real responsibility for any website technicals, need to do about this? (Or what can I do about this?) Do I need to request something from my ISP? Lobby them to see if they take it seriously? Or do I have little choice but to hang around, feeling smug because I…
I have been bugging my ISP (small, regional outfit) about IPV6 for the last 2 years, hoping to get them to move earlier than later.
I called them again this morning, and they say that they still can't make a business case for it as they have 25% of their assigned IP space unallocated. They're waiting for some real momentum or need before committing resources to roll it out across their infrastructure.
This attitude just adds to the chicken-and-egg problem, but I also know that this ISP is (human) resource constrained. They are constantly rolling out wireless solutions to unserved rural areas, so I must admit they are just being pragmatic.
That said, as some other posters have suggested, getting a tunnel broker like HE and going through their IPV6 training game (Guru!) would be a great way to get yourself ready while your ISP figures things out on their end.
People have been beating the same "IPv4's time is running out" drum since the late 90's apparently
It isn't running out. It is out. I edited out over and replaced it with depleted to satisfy the concern about the headline, but I didn't even like doing that. The cavalier attitude that "nothing is really wrong, keep doing what we're doing" has been an extensive contributor to the problematic situation we're in right now. People have been beating the drum, as you say, because this day was foreseen more than a decade…
IPv4 addresses are not "out". There are a finite number of IPv4 addresses just as there is a finite amount of land on earth. We are not "out" of land are we? The regional registries haven't even finished allocating the addresses (let alone the low utilization rate of allocated addresses).
If the need of migrating to IPv6 is so great and it so valuable to do so, why the need for artificial pronouncements?
Yes, IPv6 is about 13-years old (from draft RFC approval in 1998). I view this as a more of a failure of IPv6, however.