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Re: IPv4 is depleted: Final five blocks allocated to registries

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I asked this question on a similar article that gained no traction here recently: what do I, as a regular user of the internet, hosting no domains, and with no real responsibility for any website technicals, need to do about this? (Or what can I do about this?)

Do I need to request something from my ISP? Lobby them to see if they take it seriously? Or do I have little choice but to hang around, feeling smug because I've heard of IPv6 before this week, but waiting for someone else to ensure I transition?

Re: IPv4 is depleted: Final five blocks allocated to registries

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I asked this question on a similar article that gained no traction here recently: what do I, as a regular user of the internet, hosting no domains, and with no real responsibility for any website technicals, need to do about this? (Or what can I do about this?) Do I need to request something from my ISP? Lobby them to see if they take it seriously? Or do I have little choice but to hang around, feeling smug because I…

> Do I need to request something from my ISP? Lobby them to see if they take it seriously?

Yes, but it's less crucial for you. Ask for a timeline for IPv6, if you'd like, but don't expect much.

You can also set up IPv6 for yourself or your home network via a tunnel (which is a pretty fun exercise), and get access to the IPv6-enabled Internet. All recent operating systems have very good support for it -- even Windows 7 will hear RA and autoconfigure itself.

Start here: http://www.ipsidixit.net/2010/02/24/228/

You can get a tunnel here: http://tunnelbroker.net/main.php

Other people use this, but I prefer HE: http://www.sixxs.net/

Re: IPv4 is depleted: Final five blocks allocated to registries

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I asked this question on a similar article that gained no traction here recently: what do I, as a regular user of the internet, hosting no domains, and with no real responsibility for any website technicals, need to do about this? (Or what can I do about this?) Do I need to request something from my ISP? Lobby them to see if they take it seriously? Or do I have little choice but to hang around, feeling smug because I…

First I would request it from my ISP. The more people requesting the more likely they are to take it seriously.

The second thing I would do is setup ipv6. We are currently in a chicken/egg problem. No one uses ipv6 because no sites use it. No sites use it because no users use it.

Adding a bit of ipv6 traffic to the internet helps. If your ISP doesn't offer ipv6 you can setup a tunnel using a ddwrt router and a tunnel provider like Hurricane Electric.

Re: IPv4 is depleted: Final five blocks allocated to registries

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I asked this question on a similar article that gained no traction here recently: what do I, as a regular user of the internet, hosting no domains, and with no real responsibility for any website technicals, need to do about this? (Or what can I do about this?) Do I need to request something from my ISP? Lobby them to see if they take it seriously? Or do I have little choice but to hang around, feeling smug because I…

Nothing.

Even if you host websites, nothing until ipv4 actually gets scarce or costly.

Just because all ipv4 address space is "allocated" doesn't mean it's used or even allocated to end users.

I'd start worrying when you have to pay a lot of money to get a second IP on a server for example.

That'll probably be years away.... still good to read up on ipv6 though.

Re: IPv4 is depleted: Final five blocks allocated to registries

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Let me get some popcorn. Any ideas of what will happen next? How far are we until some home users with outdated ISPs be blocked from the internet?

Nothing happens immediately --- the regional authorities still have some free space left, although some are planning to get more stingy. (The discussion here --- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPv4_address_exhaustion --- is at least a starting point for the curious. FWIW, the first that's likely to really run out is APNIC, for the Asia/Pacific region, within the next three to six months; the RIRs for Europe and North A…

Also keep in mind there's likely to be a bit of IP reallocation happening. There are a number of companies with full /8 blocks they can't possibly fully utilize.

Re: IPv4 is depleted: Final five blocks allocated to registries

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Let me get some popcorn. Any ideas of what will happen next? How far are we until some home users with outdated ISPs be blocked from the internet?

Nothing happens immediately --- the regional authorities still have some free space left, although some are planning to get more stingy. (The discussion here --- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPv4_address_exhaustion --- is at least a starting point for the curious. FWIW, the first that's likely to really run out is APNIC, for the Asia/Pacific region, within the next three to six months; the RIRs for Europe and North A…

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Re: IPv4 is depleted: Final five blocks allocated to registries

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Let me get some popcorn. Any ideas of what will happen next? How far are we until some home users with outdated ISPs be blocked from the internet?

I think mobile carriers will be some of the first to transition. The number of devices they need to connect is exploding, and since they have more control over the devices than general ISPs, they can smooth the transition.

I'm under the impression that many mobile carriers already NAT their client's devices, so they've already "fixed" their problem.

Re: IPv4 is depleted: Final five blocks allocated to registries

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I can't wait till everybody has an IPv6 modem/router. No more of this NAT hole punching or long polling crap for pushing notifications.

Each person is supposed to get assigned a /64 from their ISP, which will be then assigned to any downstream devices.

Then you get your bill from your isp, $5 extra per device.

Re: IPv4 is depleted: Final five blocks allocated to registries

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nothing happens immediately --- the regional authorities still have some free space left, although some are planning to get more stingy. (The discussion here --- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPv4_address_exhaustion --- is at least a starting point for the curious. FWIW, the first that's likely to really run out is APNIC, for the Asia/Pacific region, within the next three to six months; the RIRs for Europe and North A…

What I don't understand is what happens to website hosting? Will the cost of a Linode go up? Will they be able to get IP addresses for new customers?

I'm pretty sure nothing will happen. They likely have several blocks already allocated which give them enough headroom for growth.
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