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New airplane seat design to make it easier to sleep in economy

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Re: New airplane seat design to make it easier to sleep in economy

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> The designers are considering adding facial recognition technology to the design. Um, what > In fitting with the trend towards more personalized, data-driven flying experiences, New Territory is keen to add facial recognition technology to the mix too. > The idea is that as the seat wing recognizes that you've fallen asleep, it'll automatically turn off the movie playing on your IFE. This could be the worst idea ev…

This isn't recognizing your specific face, it's about watching your general expressions. Many modern cars already have something like this to see if you're falling sleeping while behind the wheel and will start vibrating the seats and steering while sounding alarms to get you alert again. That being said, it's definitely over engineered compared to a "are you still active" button on the screen.

You are ignoring the argument. You are in fact building the strawman for an excuse to point cameras at everyone for the duration of the flight.

Re: New airplane seat design to make it easier to sleep in economy

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> Have cameras pointed at every flyer for the duration of the flight, for the incredibly minor benefit of stopping your movie? I flew on an Emirates A380 recently that had a front-facing camera in the IFE system. I'm not sure what its intended purpose was - perhaps to allow video calls? I had no way to tell if it was in-use during the flight, but i assume there were already other cameras in the main passenger cabin w…

Eventually AI will be watching your stress level mannerisms and micro-expressions to determine if youre a risk to the flight.

Unless you're a medieval king with 200 servants it's difficult to imagine yes. Maybe when someone is disabled? But then again sound would be enough.

Re: New airplane seat design to make it easier to sleep in economy

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In the UK there are several 2-3 hour train routes that are routinely standing room only. It's not a big deal.

Do people stand for that entire time? That’s some third-world country shit.

Huh? I stood for 2 hours on the Shinkansen in Japan. The non reserved car was quite full.

Re: New airplane seat design to make it easier to sleep in economy

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> The designers are considering adding facial recognition technology to the design. Um, what > In fitting with the trend towards more personalized, data-driven flying experiences, New Territory is keen to add facial recognition technology to the mix too. > The idea is that as the seat wing recognizes that you've fallen asleep, it'll automatically turn off the movie playing on your IFE. This could be the worst idea ev…

The other intended function is to measure & monetize viewer engagement and sentiment, so that IFE can offer personalized ads as an additional revenue stream for the airlines.

Re: New airplane seat design to make it easier to sleep in economy

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The price per square inch of human space has probably stayed the same after inflation adjustment. People on average are just more likely to buy cheaper seats than more room, so by natural selection we get smaller seats.

Fares have come down in absolute dollar terms (let alone inflation adjusted) over the last twenty years, while economy seat sizes have barely changed. What has changed is yield management — airlines have got much better at flying with as few empty seats as possible. So the main thing that has gone down to allow prices to decrease in real terms is your chance of getting an empty seat next to you.

They definitely have. I recently got an old plane for a low volume flight, and the difference was night and day.

Re: New airplane seat design to make it easier to sleep in economy

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post #51

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Fares have come down in absolute dollar terms (let alone inflation adjusted) over the last twenty years, while economy seat sizes have barely changed. What has changed is yield management — airlines have got much better at flying with as few empty seats as possible. So the main thing that has gone down to allow prices to decrease in real terms is your chance of getting an empty seat next to you.

Economy seat sizes haven't changed? Do you have a source for that? I'm including leg room when I say size has decreased. I honestly don't know but would be surprised, common wisdom is that leg room is much less over last 30 years.

I've had my knees touching the front seat for as long as I can remember, it was already this way in the 90's. Maybe it's airline dependent.

Re: New airplane seat design to make it easier to sleep in economy

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This isn't recognizing your specific face, it's about watching your general expressions. Many modern cars already have something like this to see if you're falling sleeping while behind the wheel and will start vibrating the seats and steering while sounding alarms to get you alert again. That being said, it's definitely over engineered compared to a "are you still active" button on the screen.

You are ignoring the argument. You are in fact building the strawman for an excuse to point cameras at everyone for the duration of the flight.

Clarification of the difference between recognition and general detection is not an argument for or against, though perhaps you should re-read my last sentence for my position.

Re: New airplane seat design to make it easier to sleep in economy

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It is for video calls. Depending on your class, you can video call the flight attendants

Whay's the point of video calling someone in the same room a few meters away?

It's less disruptive if the passenger is in the window seat.

Re: New airplane seat design to make it easier to sleep in economy

#139

> The designers are considering adding facial recognition technology to the design. Um, what > In fitting with the trend towards more personalized, data-driven flying experiences, New Territory is keen to add facial recognition technology to the mix too. > The idea is that as the seat wing recognizes that you've fallen asleep, it'll automatically turn off the movie playing on your IFE. This could be the worst idea ev…

The other intended function is to measure & monetize viewer engagement and sentiment, so that IFE can offer personalized ads as an additional revenue stream for the airlines.

I was in a taxi in Japan with a TV screen in the headrests. It started with a message saying it uses facial recognition to tell if you are male or female, in order to provide you with the most relevant content, where the content was entirely advertising.

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