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Apple’s Ad-Targeting Crackdown Shakes Up Ad Market

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Let us not forget that Apple isn't doing this out of altruism, but 50% because it hurts their competitors and 50% because it makes their users happy. That said, being 50% motivated by making their users happy is more than can be said about Google or Facebook. Edit: To be clear, I am an Apple customer and it's mainly on privacy grounds. I just like to keep realistic expectations about their present and future behavior…

Apple now treats privacy as if it were another product in its lineup; they clearly feel it’s a competitive advantage: https://www.apple.com/privacy/

This is why I bought a brand new iPhone last week. It is my first Apple product.

I like this, and I am willing to spend a lot of money. Best I can do is probably let my wallet do the talking.

Re: Apple’s Ad-Targeting Crackdown Shakes Up Ad Market

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As someone who worked in ad tech for half a decade, I fail to understand the fuss about cookie based targeting. We're speaking of databases mapping data to random numbers stored in a file that can easily be deleted. The real issue is ad targeting by a handful of large companies that have personally identifiable information. It's not like cookie based targeting is very effective either. It's very difficult to get cook…

> Genuinely curious so would appreciate calm, non-aggressive responses. My browser history is none of your business. That’s it. I don’t take care if violating my privacy by stealing my browser history is less effective than the newest way of violating my privacy. Doesn’t make it any better.

>My browser history is none of your business. That’s it.

Your browser was made to handle cookie data. It is publicly known. If it bothers you, you can turn it off. I do not see what all this sort of huffing is about.

Re: Apple’s Ad-Targeting Crackdown Shakes Up Ad Market

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As someone who worked in ad tech for half a decade, I fail to understand the fuss about cookie based targeting. We're speaking of databases mapping data to random numbers stored in a file that can easily be deleted. The real issue is ad targeting by a handful of large companies that have personally identifiable information. It's not like cookie based targeting is very effective either. It's very difficult to get cook…

What if I want to target women who recently bought Chanel perfume? How would I go about doing that unless I do cookie targeting?

If those women gave you permission to contact them, that’s how. If someone bought Chanel, you don’t have a right to that information unless they explicitly gave you that right.

Re: Apple’s Ad-Targeting Crackdown Shakes Up Ad Market

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As someone who worked in ad tech for half a decade, I fail to understand the fuss about cookie based targeting. We're speaking of databases mapping data to random numbers stored in a file that can easily be deleted. The real issue is ad targeting by a handful of large companies that have personally identifiable information. It's not like cookie based targeting is very effective either. It's very difficult to get cook…

What if I want to target women who recently bought Chanel perfume? How would I go about doing that unless I do cookie targeting?

What if I'm a women who recently bought Chanel perfume and I want you to fuck off?

Re: Apple’s Ad-Targeting Crackdown Shakes Up Ad Market

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It keeps the advertisers happy while still allowing users to opt out of tracking.

Safari “opts out” of (blocks) tracking by default iirc. But users have to explicitly choose to opt out of iOS tracking. Most people don’t even know about the tracking ID. Edit: Apple ought to prioritize the privacy of users over “keeping advertisers happy.”

The difference is that users can go to privacy, and switch a single option and they are opted out.

In Android, and with Google in general, you have to go through many different menus and hidden option in different places. And then, you can't really stop tracking either, because you'd need to also go to several of these "ad alliance" scam websites and try to disable tracking for hundreds of services. And of course, these websites never actually work for more than a couple of those.....

From my perspective, coming from Android, iOS is really good. I am soo jaded by Google and Android that I just expect a company to try to obfusicate options and generally be hostile to my privacy.

I regret using Android for many years, especially since Google, while I wasn't lookin, quietly moved from innovative and user-friendly to literally user hostile.

Re: Apple’s Ad-Targeting Crackdown Shakes Up Ad Market

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

What if I want to target women who recently bought Chanel perfume? How would I go about doing that unless I do cookie targeting?

If those women gave you permission to contact them, that’s how. If someone bought Chanel, you don’t have a right to that information unless they explicitly gave you that right.

What about the retailer that sold the perfume? They'll usually auto sign up the customer to their product emails and/or adapt their landing page to customer's interests (like Amazon).

Re: Apple’s Ad-Targeting Crackdown Shakes Up Ad Market

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post #182

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Genuinely curious so would appreciate calm, non-aggressive responses. My browser history is none of your business. That’s it. I don’t take care if violating my privacy by stealing my browser history is less effective than the newest way of violating my privacy. Doesn’t make it any better.

>My browser history is none of your business. That’s it. Your browser was made to handle cookie data. It is publicly known. If it bothers you, you can turn it off. I do not see what all this sort of huffing is about.

And your email box is built to handle email. Doesn't mean you want hundreds of emails selling you crap everyday

Re: Apple’s Ad-Targeting Crackdown Shakes Up Ad Market

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As someone who worked in ad tech for half a decade, I fail to understand the fuss about cookie based targeting. We're speaking of databases mapping data to random numbers stored in a file that can easily be deleted. The real issue is ad targeting by a handful of large companies that have personally identifiable information. It's not like cookie based targeting is very effective either. It's very difficult to get cook…

You probably would be well advised to read up on the economics of consumer differentiation and price discrimination.

All of today's ad-tech is set up and developed for that purpose. Whether overtly or covertly, it is the singular purpose, because the case is so clear cut: We are distributing the share of the pie between companies and consumers.

It is therefore clear why people aware of basic economics consider agressive tracking and privacy violations hostile, because they ultimately are or will be.

I am not worried about actually showing ads that are personalized in some way. But as others have pointed out, cookies are not for that. You can target based on the site's content and you are probably showing me a much more relevant ad anyway.

I am worried that every offsite ressource and every ad is used to track me across hundreds or thousands of shady services that operate under zero regulation or control, the combination of which allows market actors to determine how much of my consumer surplus they can extract in every sense, and thus actively devaluing the internet for me, in excess of what happens in the real world!

And the responses of the ad industry lobby groups pretty much prove to me what they think about choice and what they expect to get from consumers.

At this stage, it is entirely rational and ethical to consider the entire ad industry as hostile. As a group, with all side-effects, the notion of just "showing an interesting ad" simply does not exist anymore. At least for the collective industry. Any effort you took to track users, no matter how noble, will ultimately be hostile to me in the future.

Re: Apple’s Ad-Targeting Crackdown Shakes Up Ad Market

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post #37

Let us not forget that Apple isn't doing this out of altruism, but 50% because it hurts their competitors and 50% because it makes their users happy. That said, being 50% motivated by making their users happy is more than can be said about Google or Facebook. Edit: To be clear, I am an Apple customer and it's mainly on privacy grounds. I just like to keep realistic expectations about their present and future behavior…

It doesn't matter that a business isn't making a business decision based on altruism. What matters is that the incentives of the users are aligned with those of the business

I think it's considerably better when it's not based on altruism, because it's easier to predict how stable or sustainable an alignment of interests might be.

Re: Apple’s Ad-Targeting Crackdown Shakes Up Ad Market

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> Only about 9% of Safari users on an iPhone allow outside companies to track where they go on the web > In comparison, 79% of people who use Google’s Chrome browser allow advertisers to track their browsing habits on mobile devices through cookies. Something to keep in mind the next time you see someone from Google complaining about how Apple won’t allow Google Chrome to run natively on the iPhone.

Apple won’t let Firefox run either.

I'm not sure what you mean by "run"? I use Firefox as my browser on my iPhone.
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