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Verizon/Yahoo Blocking Attempts to Archive Yahoo Groups – Deletion: Dec. 14

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Re: Verizon/Yahoo Blocking Attempts to Archive Yahoo Groups – Deletion: Dec. 14

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Post by dang »

crankylinuxuser wrote: post #198

So this is a serious question: Why in the hell weren't you using something more backupable, like IRC with a bot, or something like this? Given it's biohacking, and not some older-tech thing, you should have 100% known better. Why didn't you?

This comment breaks the site guidelines. Would you please review them and stick to the rules when posting here? Note this one: "Have curious conversation; don't cross-examine." People need to be able to discuss their work and their interests here without being harangued, and any substantive point you make can be made respectfully. Pummelling people helps no one.

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We've had to ask you about these things before. Continuing like this will get you banned. I don't want to ban you, so would you please re-read the rules and fix this?

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Re: Verizon/Yahoo Blocking Attempts to Archive Yahoo Groups – Deletion: Dec. 14

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Post by britmob »

Angostura wrote: post #304
betamaxthetape wrote: post #3

disclaimer: I'm a Member of Archive Team who's helping coordinate the joining of Yahoo Groups in preparation for archival. Yahoo's banning of a large amount of the accounts we were using is a huge setback for us. In total we lost over access to over 55,000 Yahoo Groups, many of these will now not be archived and will be lost when Yahoo deletes everything on December 14. Particularly disastrous was the loss of access…

Have you posted this on Reddit anywhere? Possibly /technology? You might even get the admins to make an announcement.

It’s been all over r/datahoarder lately, also saw a post on r/YouShouldKnow

Re: Verizon/Yahoo Blocking Attempts to Archive Yahoo Groups – Deletion: Dec. 14

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Post by rthomas6 »

Things like this are a good answer to when people question why internet centralization and walled gardens matter. If these things were hosted across thousands of servers, federated, or under a license that made them able to be copied, there would be no issue. This is only an issue in the first place because people posted content in a place and manner that made them give up ownership to it. One day, perhaps decades from now, Facebook is going to face the same problem. Twitter would, too, if it wasn't being archived by the Library of Congress.

Re: Verizon/Yahoo Blocking Attempts to Archive Yahoo Groups – Deletion: Dec. 14

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Post by Diagon »

pepijndevos wrote: post #358

This is very sad to hear. One particular piece of Yahoo groups that I particularly care about is the LTSpice group, which contained a lot of simulation models I've not been able to find anywhere else. Luckily, this particular one seems to have been migrated to https://groups.io/g/LTspice

Someone else mentioned that group on this thread. A group member. Scroll to the second page. He mentioned it along with a number of other groups worth archiving.

Re: Verizon/Yahoo Blocking Attempts to Archive Yahoo Groups – Deletion: Dec. 14

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Post by BlueTemplar »

anticensor wrote: post #356
BlueTemplar wrote: post #337

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That doesn't work on SSDs, and the data might be even theoretically recoverable on HDDs : https://security.stackexchange.com/questions/12503/can-wiped... > Therefore, you should assume there is no reliable way to securely erase individual files on a SSD; you need to sanitize the whole drive, as an entire unit. There's a reason why when security is deemed important, the storage is physically destroyed instead.

I meant for the sake of data protection, not for forensics. You start with all ones and gradually deplete your ability to write ones over time in electron charge memories such as SSDs.

This is not about companies following best practices but about what is going to happen when some of the supposedly deleted data pops up again, as it eventually will.

Will a judge that is clueless about how computers really work consider that as a GDPR violation or not ? As deliberate or not ?

Re: Verizon/Yahoo Blocking Attempts to Archive Yahoo Groups – Deletion: Dec. 14

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Post by Diagon »

dredmorbius wrote: post #330
Diagon wrote: post #325

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not that I know of. Lawyers (hopefully not guns) and money would be needed. Suggestions?

I've had some preliminary discussions with EFF. There's a listing of online privacy and rights foundations I've compiled here: https://social.antefriguserat.de/index.php/Privacy_and_Elect... Many are mostly dead. Which may mean partly alive. (That Wiki in general might best be merged with AT's efforts. I'm the principle editor.)

I've passed on your idea. What did EFF have to say? Anything hopeful?

Re: Verizon/Yahoo Blocking Attempts to Archive Yahoo Groups – Deletion: Dec. 14

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Post by AQ2 »

I have a disability group that actively discourages email messages and recommends - or, that is, recommended - that members use the Files section for answers to frequent questions. Email is for questions not answered in Files. This group would be intolerable without a website, with the same questions asked over and over and over again. Yahoo is totally wrong that email is all groups need.
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