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Re: WireGuard is in net-next

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post #16

Does this mean WireGuard will be moving to stable? My VPN provider has said they won't support WireGuard until it hits 1.0

Same here. I want to try WireGuard too but ProtonVPN doesn't support it yet. I may reconsider them as my subscription expires next year.

Re: WireGuard is in net-next

#32
post #19

Yes! Hoping this will will have a pervasive effect like https in the networking world, esp for point to points that glue things together behind the scene. Encrypt all the things!

One would wish so!

I recently had to start using PulseSecure. For authentication that damn thing loads a full blown webpage in the background, actually executes the JavaScript therein, fills some forms and submits that via POST. There's a PulseSecure module for openconnect, but it's unable to send the keepalive reauthentications, because it's unable to correctly associate the presented form inputs with the credential fields, so I'd have enter them manually, on each keepalive.

I can only hope that WireGuard is going to drive a solid piece of hardwood through every "commercial grade" VPN appliance out there, and then desintegrates their heads, too, just to be sure.

But given the inertia of big orgs, and the that public and governmental institutions for one reason or another seem to trust "BIG" names with "BIG" (i.e. bloated) products and marketing more, than small, easily auditable stuff, I don't see it happening… sadly.

Re: WireGuard is in net-next

#33
post #19

Yes! Hoping this will will have a pervasive effect like https in the networking world, esp for point to points that glue things together behind the scene. Encrypt all the things!

One would wish so! I recently had to start using PulseSecure. For authentication that damn thing loads a full blown webpage in the background, actually executes the JavaScript therein, fills some forms and submits that via POST. There's a PulseSecure module for openconnect, but it's unable to send the keepalive reauthentications, because it's unable to correctly associate the presented form inputs with the credential…

WireGuard is actually pretty awful from an IT security org perspective. There are no logs when someone connects or is trying to connect, so auditing or troubleshooting becomes extremely difficult short of packet captures. Additionally, there is no concept of two step auth, so if your key is compromised, anyone can connect without anyone knowing about the compromise.

If security companies adopt WireGuard, expect things like PulseSecure to remain as a wrapper around WireGuard. They'll at least standardize on a performant and verifiable VPN solution.

Re: WireGuard is in net-next

#34
post #25
post #16

Does this mean WireGuard will be moving to stable? My VPN provider has said they won't support WireGuard until it hits 1.0

Get a better VPN provider. Or better yet, run your own.

I don't think it's fair to say "better" here. Waiting for stable software releases is a perfectly valid approach. It may not be your approach, which is also fine, but neither approach is better than the other.

Re: WireGuard is in net-next

#35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One would wish so! I recently had to start using PulseSecure. For authentication that damn thing loads a full blown webpage in the background, actually executes the JavaScript therein, fills some forms and submits that via POST. There's a PulseSecure module for openconnect, but it's unable to send the keepalive reauthentications, because it's unable to correctly associate the presented form inputs with the credential…

WireGuard is actually pretty awful from an IT security org perspective. There are no logs when someone connects or is trying to connect, so auditing or troubleshooting becomes extremely difficult short of packet captures. Additionally, there is no concept of two step auth, so if your key is compromised, anyone can connect without anyone knowing about the compromise. If security companies adopt WireGuard, expect thing…

> WireGuard is actually pretty awful from an IT security org perspective. There are no logs when someone connects or is trying to connect, so auditing or troubleshooting becomes extremely difficult short of packet captures. Additionally, there is no concept of two step auth, so if your key is compromised, anyone can connect without anyone knowing about the compromise.

WireGuard's open source. Also you should bring these points up on the mailing lists. Even if you're not the one who writes it, mentioning it should put it on peoples' radar.

Re: WireGuard is in net-next

#36
If you haven't given WireGuard a try yet, now is a good time.

Securely and reliably connecting all my devices with WireGuard was a big reminder to me that there's a much better internet hiding under the hub-and-spoke consumer services model. The internet can be so much more than our phones connecting to large data centers.

Re: WireGuard is in net-next

#38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One would wish so! I recently had to start using PulseSecure. For authentication that damn thing loads a full blown webpage in the background, actually executes the JavaScript therein, fills some forms and submits that via POST. There's a PulseSecure module for openconnect, but it's unable to send the keepalive reauthentications, because it's unable to correctly associate the presented form inputs with the credential…

WireGuard is actually pretty awful from an IT security org perspective. There are no logs when someone connects or is trying to connect, so auditing or troubleshooting becomes extremely difficult short of packet captures. Additionally, there is no concept of two step auth, so if your key is compromised, anyone can connect without anyone knowing about the compromise. If security companies adopt WireGuard, expect thing…

See this comment here https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21742178

Re: WireGuard is in net-next

#39
post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, to be fair, it was already pretty straight-forward to run WireGuard in production (if your distribution of choice has a WireGuard DKMS package). What I'm more excited about is more people building products on top of WireGuard, thus making it more accessible for the non-sysadmins out there.

This is what we ( https://tailscale.com ) are working on! WireGuard is incredible, but adding some key management (that integrates with your IAM system) and NAT traversal really helps to round things out. I'd love to hear suggestions and feedback on what we're building.

See this comment here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21742482

They make a good point about two-factor auth.

Re: WireGuard is in net-next

#40
post #34
post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Get a better VPN provider. Or better yet, run your own.

I don't think it's fair to say "better" here. Waiting for stable software releases is a perfectly valid approach. It may not be your approach, which is also fine, but neither approach is better than the other.

The end goal here is security. Wireguard has an excellent track record, having a tiny, simple and clean codebase and having been reviewed by many skilled eyes.

Most of other solutions don't come close to that.

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