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Freedom of expression is at a ten-year low globally, study says

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Re: Freedom of expression is at a ten-year low globally, study says

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bilbo0s wrote: post #146
banads wrote: post #145

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People should attack the ideas that people have, not attack the people for having ideas. Theres a huge difference between expressing disagreement with an idea and trying to ruin someone's life.

Maybe. But again, so what? People are free to be jerks. That's Freedom of Expression. If people physically attack you, that's one thing. That's crime. If people tell your company they aren't going to purchase your company's products because you work there, that's another thing entirely. That's just Americans exercising their freedom to associate with whomever or whatever they please. That's them exercising their free…

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Re: Freedom of expression is at a ten-year low globally, study says

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Post by corporate_shi11 »

claudiawerner wrote: post #166
corporate_shi11 wrote: post #43

Hate speech must be protected speech. Keep in mind that all groups suffer from hate speech attacks. Majority groups in Western countries ("white people") are some of the most publicly demonized people of the last few years, so saying that toleration of hate speech - which affects us all - is an opinion that can only be held from the secure position of being in the majority is nonsense.

> Majority groups in Western countries ("white people") are some of the most publicly demonized people of the last few years I find this extremely hard to believe.

Major media, journalists, public figures, indeed entire academic fields of study make a habit of talking about the "evils of white people" and demeaning and criticizing people for being "white" and "whiteness" and other such nonsense, without a hint of protest from the same people who would - rightly - foam at the mouth in anger if similar things were said about other groups.

"White people" are the only group it is socially acceptable to be racist towards.

Re: Freedom of expression is at a ten-year low globally, study says

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Post by bilbo0s »

Minor49er wrote: post #170
bilbo0s wrote: post #155

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That's your particular opinion. Which you are free to have. Other Americans have their particular opinions. Which they are free to have. My primary concern, or my opinion, is that all Americans are able to exercise lawful rights in support of their opinions without governmental interference. I am as supportive of the Nazi as I am of the Feminist in this regard. And the good news, is that the Constitution is equally i…

If you happen to come across someone touting a point of view that you disagree with, then you decide to try to attack that person's livelihood for it, you better try to find out the beliefs of everyone that you give money to. Say that you come across some guy on Twitter who said that Quake was a bad game. You click around and find out that he works as Big Company Inc and is probably the only one there with this perso…

So what?

That point is orthogonal to may primary objective. Which is only to keep the rights to boycott quake, or like quake, or dislike quake, or feel indifferent about quake, open to all Americans. I don't care how they use their rights. I don't even care if they use their rights. I only care that their rights never be infringed by the government.

You're talking about strategies for civil disobedience. Which is great. It's just that strategies for use are a layer on top of your rights. In a very real way, the only reason you can talk about strategies, is because you have the rights necessary to freely engage in civil disobedience.

This, more fundamental, issue is my primary concern. That the right to any sort of civil disobedience be freely available. I don't care how people use those rights. I mean, obviously right. I mean, not to sound crass, but I don't even care if Nazis hide behind those rights. So why would I care if anyone else uses them? I just care that no one be constrained from using them.

Re: Freedom of expression is at a ten-year low globally, study says

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Post by duckMuppet »

ghostwriter wrote: post #163
ikeyany wrote: post #147

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-white-house-has-... ? Do not make this a partisan issue.

How is it different to Obama's presidency? https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/obama-whose-admin...

It's different because Trump is not their guy..

I'm guessing he said very little when Maxine Waters, among several other politicians made several direct and open statements such as, "you confront them restaurants, gas stations, shopping places, and even their homes".

Further, there is a huge push by news agencies to inhibit the flow and regain control of information. The recent Gayle King interview with Mark Zuckerburg is a great example of this. She was absolutely beside herself that Zuck wouldn't censor certain ads (unlike some other platforms), implying several times that people were just too stupid to evaluate and assess for themselves.. It was pretty ironic to hear Zuck say several times that people should be able to make up their own minds to a journo. But that's where we're at.

I think Trump is garbage, but the truth is that anyone spouting such nonsense as above about Trump really care little about truth, they are about agenda, which is fine if they were just honest about it. They associate Trump with this pie in the sky extreme view of some nefarious journalism censorship happenings. Yeh no.. They Got their credentials revoked, a privilege... Try that shit in a country with an actual dictator and you end up diced in pieces and taken out the back and put in a dumpster or they put you in jail and they let you out in 20 years or so.

Re: Freedom of expression is at a ten-year low globally, study says

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Post by robtherobber »

Isamu wrote: post #51

> the government in Hungary has “systematically dismantled media independence, freedom and pluralism, distorted the media market and divided the journalistic community in the country, achieving a degree of media control unprecedented in an EU member state.” News to me. Can anyone comment on this?

Apologies for not writing a summary of these, but I fear I'll gut out important stuff. However, here are some links that certainly can do a good job at telling what's been happening in Hungary:

- https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/9/13/17823488/h...

- https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/25/world/europe/hungary-demo...

- https://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/hungary/2019-08-15/h...

- https://www.economist.com/briefing/2019/08/29/how-viktor-orb...

Re: Freedom of expression is at a ten-year low globally, study says

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Post by ikeyany »

ghostwriter wrote: post #163
ikeyany wrote: post #147

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-white-house-has-... ? Do not make this a partisan issue.

How is it different to Obama's presidency? https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/obama-whose-admin...

When has Bush encouraged attacks against his opponents and the media? This really isn't a partisan issue.

Re: Freedom of expression is at a ten-year low globally, study says

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Post by ikeyany »

duckMuppet wrote: post #175
ghostwriter wrote: post #163

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How is it different to Obama's presidency? https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/obama-whose-admin...

It's different because Trump is not their guy.. I'm guessing he said very little when Maxine Waters, among several other politicians made several direct and open statements such as, "you confront them restaurants, gas stations, shopping places, and even their homes". Further, there is a huge push by news agencies to inhibit the flow and regain control of information. The recent Gayle King interview with Mark Zuckerbu…

Again, I encourage you from making this a partisan issue. Previous presidents like Bush would never encourage attacks against his opponents or against members of the media. Do you not remember when Trump said 2nd Amendment people should take care of Hillary?
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