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Verizon/Yahoo Blocking Attempts to Archive Yahoo Groups – Deletion: Dec. 14

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Re: Verizon/Yahoo Blocking Attempts to Archive Yahoo Groups – Deletion: Dec. 14

#201
I had just recently been reading about Arweave [0], a sort of distributed file storage that claims to permanently store files/webpages using various incentives.

Seems like something like this would be a good way to archive this sort of information or build sites like Yahoo groups on top of this file storage in the first place.

[0] https://www.arweave.org/

Re: Verizon/Yahoo Blocking Attempts to Archive Yahoo Groups – Deletion: Dec. 14

#202
Verizon claimed that the archivists violated the "terms of service" [1], but I couldn't find any reference to automation, downloading, crawling, or denial of service attacks that might apply.

Does anyone have an idea of exactly what term or terms were violated by the archivists?

[1] https://www.verizonmedia.com/policies/us/en/verizonmedia/ter...

Re: Verizon/Yahoo Blocking Attempts to Archive Yahoo Groups – Deletion: Dec. 14

#203

So this is a serious question: Why in the hell weren't you using something more backupable, like IRC with a bot, or something like this? Given it's biohacking, and not some older-tech thing, you should have 100% known better. Why didn't you?

Likely having something more easily accessible to less technical people, plus being able to view the history of posts in the browser, are some reasons.

Re: Verizon/Yahoo Blocking Attempts to Archive Yahoo Groups – Deletion: Dec. 14

#204

The "dark side" of web scrapers has always been one step ahead with things like IP bans and CAPTCHA solvers, maybe it's time to get their assistance... as the old saying goes, "an enemy of an enemy is a friend".

Who are the dark side of web scrapers?

Re: Verizon/Yahoo Blocking Attempts to Archive Yahoo Groups – Deletion: Dec. 14

#205
post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Clarification - we're not archive.org. Archive Team and Internet Archive are completely separate. And we're only archiving things that "any guy on the internet" can see. If someone can access the messages simply by joining a group (with no moderator approval), I'd argue it's fair game. We're not going to be unreasonable, though. If something private slips through and we receive a takedown request from the author, we…

But the data will be going to Archive.org, correct?

Yep. That's where they upload everything.

Re: Verizon/Yahoo Blocking Attempts to Archive Yahoo Groups – Deletion: Dec. 14

#206
post #203

So this is a serious question: Why in the hell weren't you using something more backupable, like IRC with a bot, or something like this? Given it's biohacking, and not some older-tech thing, you should have 100% known better. Why didn't you?

Likely having something more easily accessible to less technical people, plus being able to view the history of posts in the browser, are some reasons.

"biohackers"... "Less technical people"

Re: Verizon/Yahoo Blocking Attempts to Archive Yahoo Groups – Deletion: Dec. 14

#209

So this is a serious question: Why in the hell weren't you using something more backupable, like IRC with a bot, or something like this? Given it's biohacking, and not some older-tech thing, you should have 100% known better. Why didn't you?

The OP isn't the person who created the groups he's discussing. He's part of the effort trying to archive the groups.

Re: Verizon/Yahoo Blocking Attempts to Archive Yahoo Groups – Deletion: Dec. 14

#210
post #203

So this is a serious question: Why in the hell weren't you using something more backupable, like IRC with a bot, or something like this? Given it's biohacking, and not some older-tech thing, you should have 100% known better. Why didn't you?

Likely having something more easily accessible to less technical people, plus being able to view the history of posts in the browser, are some reasons.

Technical people make poor choices about using hosted services and not having an appropriate backup, too. People are, by and large, short-sighted.
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