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Verizon/Yahoo Blocking Attempts to Archive Yahoo Groups – Deletion: Dec. 14

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Re: Verizon/Yahoo Blocking Attempts to Archive Yahoo Groups – Deletion: Dec. 14

#181

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It's simply way too much work. Dying projects generating no revenues don't get the luxury of having tens of people assigned to work on them.

How is it too much work to tar up that shit, put it on a big ass drive or two, and ship it to them? I can't imagine it's that hard.

Probably a few minutes, and then 4 million lawyer hours for review.

Re: Verizon/Yahoo Blocking Attempts to Archive Yahoo Groups – Deletion: Dec. 14

#182

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I feel like there must be some protection in place against using mTurk with captcha, or it would have already been abused.

Mturk's turnaround for this stuff can't be fast enough to work would be my guess. I know jobs I put up there for transcription, despite a generous bonus, were always delayed for at the very least hours.

You misunderstand. You keep a live page open and point jobs to the live page. No need to put a captcha image in the mturk job.

You can absolutely purchase captcha answers.

Re: Verizon/Yahoo Blocking Attempts to Archive Yahoo Groups – Deletion: Dec. 14

#183
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Except that the Library of Alexandria never actuelly burnt ! That is a very good ol' myth ;) - https://www.firstthings.com/web-exclusives/2010/06/the-perni... - https://www.ancientworldmagazine.com/articles/making-myth-li... - https://history.stackexchange.com/questions/677/what-knowled... But anyway, no one should delete human littérature, be it inadvertently or by lack of effort.

These articles seem more concerned with detailing how important it is that it wasn't Christians. Makes sense for a organization centered around "religion and public life", I guess. Quite the angle.

It's quite important that it wasn't Christians. A large part of the public understanding of history is based on a belief that progress through the early Middle Ages was held back primarily by Christian repression of free thought. There are people who very seriously believe that we'd be flying between stars by now if Christianity had never become predominant.

You don't have to be a Christian apologist to think that it's important for people understand history correctly.

Re: Verizon/Yahoo Blocking Attempts to Archive Yahoo Groups – Deletion: Dec. 14

#184

I'm genuinely curious from an ideological perspective, why archivists think all this material is worth saving? People often compare the shutting down of sites or the banning of content (e.g. When Tumblr banned porn, or now yahoo shutting down groups) to the burning of the Library of Alexandria. But there is a huge difference. The LoA held knowledge collated and collected by the best thinkers of the time. The Internet…

One never knows what may have value.

The graffiti on the toilet wall may well speak to the start of a trend, term, movement, or other event, for example.

Think longer timelines, broader scope than you personally may feel is relevant.

En mass, those questions have answers we individually are unlikely to fathom.

Re: Verizon/Yahoo Blocking Attempts to Archive Yahoo Groups – Deletion: Dec. 14

#185

Why wouldn't these groups for which Yahoo seems to be a critical service have done this work weeks ago? Either it's important and you make an effort yourself, or you do nothing, which clearly indicates that it is not important. I'm having a hard time getting worked into a lather over this one like it seems everyone else is - it's been announced for 2 months - ample time to save what you needed.

‘There’s no point acting all surprised about it. All the planning charts and demolition orders have been on display in your local planning department in Alpha Centauri for fifty of your Earth years, so you’ve had plenty of time to lodge any formal complaint and it’s far too late to start making a fuss about it now.’

Re: Verizon/Yahoo Blocking Attempts to Archive Yahoo Groups – Deletion: Dec. 14

#186
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Why does everything need to be archived? Why can't the stupid things I said 20 years ago in a forum just vanish someday? (I never posted there but you get my point)

The one group I ever joined held plenty of useful/unique SysEx dumps containing custom patches for a popular 80's music synthesizer, among related things. I wonder who has already backed it up, and if I should.

edit: Oops, I'm also a member of LTspice. D'oh!

The best way to stop being ashamed of stupid things that you said forever ago is not to cast those things into the Memory Hole, but to stop saying those things, and most importantly, stop being the person who would. Then you know it's in the past, and it doesn't matter who else remembers.

I'll let you know how that goes, someday ;)

Re: Verizon/Yahoo Blocking Attempts to Archive Yahoo Groups – Deletion: Dec. 14

#187

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These articles seem more concerned with detailing how important it is that it wasn't Christians. Makes sense for a organization centered around "religion and public life", I guess. Quite the angle.

It's quite important that it wasn't Christians. A large part of the public understanding of history is based on a belief that progress through the early Middle Ages was held back primarily by Christian repression of free thought. There are people who very seriously believe that we'd be flying between stars by now if Christianity had never become predominant. You don't have to be a Christian apologist to think that it…

Do people generally think it was Christians? Without looking it up, I would have said "barbarians", which may not rule out Christians but doesn't specify them either.

Re: Verizon/Yahoo Blocking Attempts to Archive Yahoo Groups – Deletion: Dec. 14

#188
post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Except that the Library of Alexandria never actuelly burnt ! That is a very good ol' myth ;) - https://www.firstthings.com/web-exclusives/2010/06/the-perni... - https://www.ancientworldmagazine.com/articles/making-myth-li... - https://history.stackexchange.com/questions/677/what-knowled... But anyway, no one should delete human littérature, be it inadvertently or by lack of effort.

Wait the library wasn't lost due to that fire, but the contents were slowly lost due to the passage of time and people not caring or having access to copy it's contents? That makes the analogy way better, but the "burning" part is sadly wrong.

Yes, that is exactly what I wanted to convey by "lack of efforts".

2000 years ago, as a civilization, even if we failed to care enough for the Works stored in the Library, their loss would not have happened if access was not limited, which would have helped in their dissemination and issuing of copies.

Today, as a civilization, if we fail to implement to right process to backup on time what matters to us, we will repeat the same errors as our ancestors.

I guess many historians today would prefer to see those non-existent backups of the Alexandria Library rather than those of Yahoo Groups, but who knows what is more important after all ;)

Re: Verizon/Yahoo Blocking Attempts to Archive Yahoo Groups – Deletion: Dec. 14

#190
post #186
post #44

Why does everything need to be archived? Why can't the stupid things I said 20 years ago in a forum just vanish someday? (I never posted there but you get my point)

The one group I ever joined held plenty of useful/unique SysEx dumps containing custom patches for a popular 80's music synthesizer, among related things. I wonder who has already backed it up, and if I should. edit: Oops, I'm also a member of LTspice. D'oh! The best way to stop being ashamed of stupid things that you said forever ago is not to cast those things into the Memory Hole, but to stop saying those things,…

Do it.
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