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Re: Friends of Vast Industrial Concrete Kafkaesque Structures

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It frustrates me that so many people hate brutalist architecture. I definitely wouldn't want every building to be brutalist but I'm glad that some are. I also much prefer brutalism to soulless glass and concrete skyscrapers or nondescript office buildings. At least brutalist buildings look like something.

Why are you glad some are? Signed, A Brutalist Hater

The size and striking appearance give a sense of safety, nobility, and a feeling that the structure's purpose exists beyond what people think of it. There isn't the delusion that such a large structure can do anything but permanently change the landscape around it, and no appeal to some lost Great Tradition of Architecture. Brutalist architecture has dignity in its old age; rust streaks, plant growth, and other signs of aging feel like a graceful admission that nothing lasts forever, instead of an inevitable abandonment of the structure.

The LA river drainway lets you appreciate the power of the river even when its not completely flooded. Towards the end, where the bed must become dirt, you see the far future of the entire drainway, where it's not a decrepit building, but just rock that has returned to nature.

Re: Friends of Vast Industrial Concrete Kafkaesque Structures

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I'm surprised that this construction is considered a "river".

Americans tend to call artificial structures with names usually associated with more natural structures: they have a lot of “parks” in their cities, which usually end up being just a concrete avenue with a few trees in it (still infinite progress from concrete avenues with no trees at all). I’m always so sad to visit US cities as European

Also a European, but I really don't understand you. I don't know what you think park means in a urban context, to me a park is a man-made green area. Anyway, even when you go to a forest in Europe you likely have no idea of how much managed they are, it's exactly like farming, just on a different time scale. There is really almost nothing that is not somehow man-made on this side of the pond.

Re: Friends of Vast Industrial Concrete Kafkaesque Structures

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Boston City Hall routinely ranks as one of the ugliest buildings on earth https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boston_City_Hall Brutalist concrete building straight out of 1984. Really gets you mentally prepared for the labyrinth, dispassionate and uncaring bureaucracy that awaits you inside. > The building has been subject to nearly universal public condemnation, and is often called one of the world's ugliest buildings. Ca…

You're conflating brutalism and soulless/inhuman/ugly concrete-heavy design; this is a common misunderstanding. Brutalism when done thoughtfully and well is beautiful, uplifting, and provides a sense of calm and space. The Simon Fraser U campus is a good example: https://modernistarchitecture.blogspot.com/2015/12/a-brutali...

To me that's not 'beautiful'. It's the same unpleasant monochrome concrete architecture I was stuck with in community college, just on a larger scale.

Re: Friends of Vast Industrial Concrete Kafkaesque Structures

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Boston City Hall routinely ranks as one of the ugliest buildings on earth https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boston_City_Hall Brutalist concrete building straight out of 1984. Really gets you mentally prepared for the labyrinth, dispassionate and uncaring bureaucracy that awaits you inside. > The building has been subject to nearly universal public condemnation, and is often called one of the world's ugliest buildings. Ca…

I feel like the true ugliness in that particular building is less about the material, more about how it looks unpleasantly like it started as a normal cuboid and then grew lopsided cysts to produce its current shape.

Re: Friends of Vast Industrial Concrete Kafkaesque Structures

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post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why are you glad some are? Signed, A Brutalist Hater

The size and striking appearance give a sense of safety, nobility, and a feeling that the structure's purpose exists beyond what people think of it. There isn't the delusion that such a large structure can do anything but permanently change the landscape around it, and no appeal to some lost Great Tradition of Architecture. Brutalist architecture has dignity in its old age; rust streaks, plant growth, and other signs…

I've yet to see an old concrete building that's aged with dignity, rather than aging with 'what's with those big drippy stains, doesn't anybody wash around here?'.

Re: Friends of Vast Industrial Concrete Kafkaesque Structures

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Boston City Hall routinely ranks as one of the ugliest buildings on earth https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boston_City_Hall Brutalist concrete building straight out of 1984. Really gets you mentally prepared for the labyrinth, dispassionate and uncaring bureaucracy that awaits you inside. > The building has been subject to nearly universal public condemnation, and is often called one of the world's ugliest buildings. Ca…

You're conflating brutalism and soulless/inhuman/ugly concrete-heavy design; this is a common misunderstanding. Brutalism when done thoughtfully and well is beautiful, uplifting, and provides a sense of calm and space. The Simon Fraser U campus is a good example: https://modernistarchitecture.blogspot.com/2015/12/a-brutali...

Check out this list of movies that utilized the SFU campus:

https://604now.com/movies-filmed-at-sfu/

In every case the campus is used to represent the headquarters of some government agency or military facility, or as the setting for some dystopian sci-fi.

I'm interested in both brutalism and dystopian sci-fi, but I don't want to live in a dystopian future, and I don't like being around the brutalist architecture in my city either.

Re: Friends of Vast Industrial Concrete Kafkaesque Structures

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Boston City Hall routinely ranks as one of the ugliest buildings on earth https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boston_City_Hall Brutalist concrete building straight out of 1984. Really gets you mentally prepared for the labyrinth, dispassionate and uncaring bureaucracy that awaits you inside. > The building has been subject to nearly universal public condemnation, and is often called one of the world's ugliest buildings. Ca…

That is, perhaps, uglier than the J Edgar Hoover building[0] (headquarters of the FBI) in Washington, DC, and my previous gold standard for Brutalist hideosity. My condolences on having to go there.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J._Edgar_Hoover_Building

Re: Friends of Vast Industrial Concrete Kafkaesque Structures

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post #10

Boston City Hall routinely ranks as one of the ugliest buildings on earth https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boston_City_Hall Brutalist concrete building straight out of 1984. Really gets you mentally prepared for the labyrinth, dispassionate and uncaring bureaucracy that awaits you inside. > The building has been subject to nearly universal public condemnation, and is often called one of the world's ugliest buildings. Ca…

This is all pretty subjective; I personally like this stuff. And it's certainly more distinctive than your average lots-of-glass modern design.

For instance, this building was controversial, but you couldn't call it boring: http://www.sosbrutalism.org/sixcms/media.php/1685/thumbnails...

It has now been demolished, and is being replaced with this glass thing which is approximately identical to all other office buildings built in Dublin in the last decade: https://www.irishtimes.com/polopoly_fs/1.2674616.1465234544!...

(It used to house the embassy of Australia among other stuff, which always felt a bit odd. Probably Dublin's second weirdest embassy venue; Japan, whose embassy is in a shopping center above a large Tesco, still wins that one).

Re: Friends of Vast Industrial Concrete Kafkaesque Structures

#69
post #34

It frustrates me that so many people hate brutalist architecture. I definitely wouldn't want every building to be brutalist but I'm glad that some are. I also much prefer brutalism to soulless glass and concrete skyscrapers or nondescript office buildings. At least brutalist buildings look like something.

I've noticed, in London at least, that there is a new appreciation of the style among hipster millennial types. You can buy maps of 'Brutal London' with all the great examples marked (Goldfinger's tower blocks, Guys hospital, etc). The Barbican Centre has made that part of its cachet. I can remember the exact moment I fell in love with the style - I was traveling north on a streetcar on Spadina avenue in Toronto, bac…

> I've noticed, in London at least, that there is a new appreciation of the style among hipster millennial types.

I don't think it's all that recent. The Barbican has been widely admired for a long time, say.

Re: Friends of Vast Industrial Concrete Kafkaesque Structures

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post #10

Boston City Hall routinely ranks as one of the ugliest buildings on earth https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boston_City_Hall Brutalist concrete building straight out of 1984. Really gets you mentally prepared for the labyrinth, dispassionate and uncaring bureaucracy that awaits you inside. > The building has been subject to nearly universal public condemnation, and is often called one of the world's ugliest buildings. Ca…

You're conflating brutalism and soulless/inhuman/ugly concrete-heavy design; this is a common misunderstanding. Brutalism when done thoughtfully and well is beautiful, uplifting, and provides a sense of calm and space. The Simon Fraser U campus is a good example: https://modernistarchitecture.blogspot.com/2015/12/a-brutali...

It's not a misunderstanding, it's an opinion.

Brutalism is like the worst of modern art in that it's ugly unless you spend a lot of time and effort deliberately altering your preferences, but much worse because you can't escape it because it's architecture, not decoration. Brutalism, like so much of modern architecture, is for and by architects with no consideration given for people who have not spent tens to hundreds of hours learning to perceive striking, visually interesting but ugly buildings as beautiful.

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