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SpaceX working on fix for Starlink satellites so they don’t disrupt astronomy

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Re: SpaceX working on fix for Starlink satellites so they don’t disrupt astronomy

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Sorry but I don't really care. Laying fiber is a dead simple procedure that is rather inexpensive. The main reason it doesn't happen are political reasons. Other countries are responsible to solve their political problems themselves. I have neither any influence, ability or responsibility for the political process in other countries (which is certainly a good thing). Former poor soviet block countries built their own…

First starlink is better than fiber because it will have lower latency. Second and more important it doesn't destroy astronomy at all, it adds some small temporary inconvenience for some types of observations, but at the same time makes space launches cheaper allowing more space telescopes, which is going to help astronomy greatly. Your reaction would be totally justified if starlink was really disrupting astronomy,…

> First starlink is better than fiber because it will have lower latency.

Nobody except some HF-Traders cares.

> Your reaction would be totally justified if starlink was really disrupting astronomy

The article is literally about even SpaceX admitting that there is a huge problem.

Re: SpaceX working on fix for Starlink satellites so they don’t disrupt astronomy

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> The fact that they didn't would indicate nobody connected the dots. Or that nobody knew who/where to contact someone to raise their concerns. A lot of people will think that if I just had this thought, then it must be pretty obvious so that others will have the same thought as well. No need for further action. Others will just not feel the need to spend their time/effort trying to look up the complaints department.…

It’s not that hard to get in contact. If you cared you could LinkedIn message a SpaceX employee. Tweet at Elon Musk. Connected with nyt or other media who’d love to run such a story. ...etc

Yes very simple. Anyone can be a multi-millionaire working 4hrs a day or less.

Re: SpaceX working on fix for Starlink satellites so they don’t disrupt astronomy

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Why is it not a valid solution? It is actually a much better solution than using small low quality telescopes. If starlink is successful in a few years launching satellites will become cheap enough to allow us to launch multiple telescopes better than hubble, and we'll have equivalent of google earth with high quality images of night sky. Combined with VR why would anyone even want to use telescopes? (Maybe people wh…

Because there is a difference between things that could maybe happen, and things that are almost certainly going to happen. Especially when the "maybe" is relying on the largesse of somebody else to fix the problem they created. History is full of disasters and situations where that absolutely does not work out. Pinning the near-entire future of astronomical observation on Musk's good will is ridiculous.

First it doesn't depend on Musk's good will at all. It depends on companies making profit by selling space launches. Second "the near-entire future of astronomical observation" is a gross exaggeration, the satellites only add a bit of inconvenience, which is a much smaller issue, than existing issues like light pollution from the cities. The benefits of starlink, and the slight inconvenience for astronomers are simply not comparable.

Re: SpaceX working on fix for Starlink satellites so they don’t disrupt astronomy

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First starlink is better than fiber because it will have lower latency. Second and more important it doesn't destroy astronomy at all, it adds some small temporary inconvenience for some types of observations, but at the same time makes space launches cheaper allowing more space telescopes, which is going to help astronomy greatly. Your reaction would be totally justified if starlink was really disrupting astronomy,…

> First starlink is better than fiber because it will have lower latency. Nobody except some HF-Traders cares. > Your reaction would be totally justified if starlink was really disrupting astronomy The article is literally about even SpaceX admitting that there is a huge problem.

> The article is literally about even SpaceX admitting that there is a huge problem.

The article is about spacex admitting that there is some inconvenience, and using maximally cautious wording to not attract angry social media mobs.

Re: SpaceX working on fix for Starlink satellites so they don’t disrupt astronomy

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They do not need to be part of StarLink. The more satellites are launched the more money SpaceX gets to develop starship, starship reduces the cost of launching satellites and increases the maximum volume of the satellite, with cheaper launches and cheaper mirrors that do not need complex folding launching space telescope becomes cheaper than building a telescope on the earth, which means that new telescopes will be…

The same line of reasoning works for selling weapons to conflict parties.

How does it work? By building rockets spacex learns how to build better rockets, by selling weapons it would only learn how to build weapons. If you mean someone could start another company selling weapons and redirect all profits to SpaceX, that could work, but why would anyone do that if there is a better way of selling network connection?

Re: SpaceX working on fix for Starlink satellites so they don’t disrupt astronomy

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Because there is a difference between things that could maybe happen, and things that are almost certainly going to happen. Especially when the "maybe" is relying on the largesse of somebody else to fix the problem they created. History is full of disasters and situations where that absolutely does not work out. Pinning the near-entire future of astronomical observation on Musk's good will is ridiculous.

First it doesn't depend on Musk's good will at all. It depends on companies making profit by selling space launches. Second "the near-entire future of astronomical observation" is a gross exaggeration, the satellites only add a bit of inconvenience, which is a much smaller issue, than existing issues like light pollution from the cities. The benefits of starlink, and the slight inconvenience for astronomers are simpl…

There are a tiny handful of space based satellites, its far more than only a "bit" of inconvenience.

Re: SpaceX working on fix for Starlink satellites so they don’t disrupt astronomy

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Also do not forget that SpaceX is not the only company that wants to launch low orbit satelites. I do not think it is possible to find any other real solution other then to move telescopes to space.

Sure there is another solution: we ban them, or at least highly regulate them. The idea that private companies can just do whatever, and there's nothing we can do is just so cliché HN.

You broke the site guidelines badly with this flamebait and generic tangent, which predictably started a wretched flamewar. Then you perpetuated it.

You do a lot of good for HN with your interesting submissions, but you've also been vandalizing HN with destructive comments for years. We've asked you not to do this many times.

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Eventually the cost outweighs the benefit. I definitely do not want to ban you, so would you please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and fix this? All users here need to have self-control, and experienced contributors more so.

Re: SpaceX working on fix for Starlink satellites so they don’t disrupt astronomy

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https://www.fws.gov/international/travel-and-trade/ivory-ban... > On July 6, 2016, a near-total ban on commercial trade in African elephant ivory went into effect in the United States. Hard to make a profit when you're shut down by the government.

He’s just trying to build up a strawman to attack. Typical HN troll.

Please don't perpetuate flamewars on HN, and please especially don't do personal attacks. We ban accounts that do that.

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Re: SpaceX working on fix for Starlink satellites so they don’t disrupt astronomy

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“No one thought of this,” she said. “We didn’t think of it. The astronomy community didn’t think of it.” I really have trouble believing that nobody mentioned adding thousands of satellites would go unnoticed. It is damn near impossible to take any image of the night sky without having a satellite streak through the frame. I have plenty of images with multiple satellites visible at the same time. In wide angle timela…

Yeah even the wikipedia page mentions the astronomers' concerns

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starlink_(satellite_constellat...

btw the amount of satellites is staggering and this is just a tiny batch: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gRz3988El7Q&t=116s (Warning: hilarious commenter)

Re: SpaceX working on fix for Starlink satellites so they don’t disrupt astronomy

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“No one thought of this,” she said. “We didn’t think of it. The astronomy community didn’t think of it.” I really have trouble believing that nobody mentioned adding thousands of satellites would go unnoticed. It is damn near impossible to take any image of the night sky without having a satellite streak through the frame. I have plenty of images with multiple satellites visible at the same time. In wide angle timela…

Software should be able to account for this. If photoshop can remove people from photos, why can't astronomy software remove satellites? Orbit is already pretty cluttered and we can't remove much that gets stuck up there already.

Software can make a picture look pretty, but it has very limited use when you are fighting against the limits of information theory. You want an actual new measurement, not a guess of what a reasonable measurement would look like based on past measurements.
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