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California is about to allow former felons to serve on juries

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Re: California is about to allow former felons to serve on juries

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Add to that idiotic idea to ban water bottles in SFO to "protect the environment". Now every thirsty passenger in SFO has to either buy a gigantic 1.5L water bottle or of a questionable health-quality aluminum one. Sorry for diversion of a subject, can't resist.

Luckily someone invented La Croix so you can just drink your water fizzy, lightly flavoured, and in a super-wasteful tiny can.

Is aluminium worse than plastic if recycled?

Re: California is about to allow former felons to serve on juries

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I've served on a jury in CA and have seen jury selection on a couple occasions. Based on what I've seen, I think it will remain highly unlikely that a convicted felon will make their way onto a jury of a criminal trial (civil trials might be more likely). In the standard questionnaire that prospective jurors are given, they are asked if they or members of their immediate family have been victims of a crime, or if the…

I think it's kind of random. Last time I was on jury selection, the defendant, a black man, was accused of robbing a bank at gunpoint. The woman being questioned for jury duty was asked about being a victim of crime. She said, "I've been a bank teller for over 20 years. I've been robbed at gunpoint three times, and every time it was a black man. Black men are always guilty". I was shocked she would say such a thing,…

There is a good chance she used an explicit statement like that to get herself dismissed from the jury pool.

Re: California is about to allow former felons to serve on juries

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I've served on a jury in CA and have seen jury selection on a couple occasions. Based on what I've seen, I think it will remain highly unlikely that a convicted felon will make their way onto a jury of a criminal trial (civil trials might be more likely). In the standard questionnaire that prospective jurors are given, they are asked if they or members of their immediate family have been victims of a crime, or if the…

I think it's kind of random. Last time I was on jury selection, the defendant, a black man, was accused of robbing a bank at gunpoint. The woman being questioned for jury duty was asked about being a victim of crime. She said, "I've been a bank teller for over 20 years. I've been robbed at gunpoint three times, and every time it was a black man. Black men are always guilty". I was shocked she would say such a thing,…

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Re: California is about to allow former felons to serve on juries

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Was he guilty?

That is the wrong question -- if a juror is that certain, pre-trial, that a defendant is guilty, there is no way that the defendant can get a fair trial.

I guess the question was whether he was finally found to be guilty by the jury.

Re: California is about to allow former felons to serve on juries

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If it offsets the vast amounts of delusional people who have absolutely no concept of the real world and all its dangers, then I'm all for it. People who've been to prison are much more likely to be grounded in visceral reality and weigh things properly compared to much of our increasingly sheltered society, especially along the coasts.

Isn't a failure to judge something correctly the reason they went to prison in the first place? Are you saying they're so well reformed that their judgement now exceeds that of normal people? In that case, there must be other jobs their superior ability to weigh things can be useful.

Your comment beautifully reinforces the point you try to refute. "Normal" people are naive and clueless about the reality of the world.

Re: California is about to allow former felons to serve on juries

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I think it's kind of random. Last time I was on jury selection, the defendant, a black man, was accused of robbing a bank at gunpoint. The woman being questioned for jury duty was asked about being a victim of crime. She said, "I've been a bank teller for over 20 years. I've been robbed at gunpoint three times, and every time it was a black man. Black men are always guilty". I was shocked she would say such a thing,…

There is a good chance she used an explicit statement like that to get herself dismissed from the jury pool.

And whoever was in charge of ensuring an unbiased jury was willing to take that chance?

Re: California is about to allow former felons to serve on juries

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There is a good chance she used an explicit statement like that to get herself dismissed from the jury pool.

And whoever was in charge of ensuring an unbiased jury was willing to take that chance?

in that case they probably found it endearing

Re: California is about to allow former felons to serve on juries

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I’m normally automatically skeptical of anything passed by our legislature here (which passes laws to ban plastic straws and water in restaurants but couldn’t care less about feces and mental illness all over the streets). For this, I’m totally 100% behind the decision. A jury of our peers is as good as it gets, folks. Even with the drawbacks it will never get better. We need to protect it and honor it, and that incl…

The thing about California is that the feces problem and the plastic ban are related. San Francisco has had a high ambient homeless population for some time, it's just that when it came time to go poop, they would go in a plastic bag and throw it in a dumpster. And then the city banned plastic bags...

Paper bags are still available

Re: California is about to allow former felons to serve on juries

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I think it's kind of random. Last time I was on jury selection, the defendant, a black man, was accused of robbing a bank at gunpoint. The woman being questioned for jury duty was asked about being a victim of crime. She said, "I've been a bank teller for over 20 years. I've been robbed at gunpoint three times, and every time it was a black man. Black men are always guilty". I was shocked she would say such a thing,…

There is a good chance she used an explicit statement like that to get herself dismissed from the jury pool.

Also a good chance OP is lying on the Internet.
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