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The Lesson to Unlearn

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Re: The Lesson to Unlearn

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I'm glad he made the leap from school tests to funding tests, as it seemed to be a thinly veiled analogy from the start. I'm disappointed, though, that he didn't take the final step and admit that money itself is also a poor, hackable test. Funding, growth, usage -- these are all still one level removed from something worthwhile or beneficial. Cigarettes have amazing usage numbers even in 2019. I'm waiting for the en…

> I'm waiting for the entrepreneur who will say he doesn't care how much money he makes or how many customers he has, only that it's worthwhile and needed doing.

This is literally all of open source software. The problem here is that you're waiting for an entrepreneur to say this, which is the wrong kind of person to expect this from.

Re: The Lesson to Unlearn

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I actually had to drop out of Spanish courses in university as they were going to crush my GPA if I didn’t drop them. I was learning a ton and enjoying them, but for my targeted profession my resume would be tossed if my GPA didn’t meet an arbitrary cutoff.

Re: The Lesson to Unlearn

#193
I think the worst thing school teaches you -- especially STEM -- is that 99%+ questions have a certain right answer.

IRL most interesting and important questions are not anywhere close to that.

Re: The Lesson to Unlearn

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post #172

Earlier quoted context omitted.

B2B: (1) The scripting language Rexx. (2) The text editor KEdit with macro language KEXX much like Rexx. (1) and (2) are far and away my two most important tools in computing, from IBM mainframes to PCs, DOS, OS/2, Windows, and my startup on Windows 7 64 bit Professional on an AMD FX-8350 64 bit 8 core processor at 4.0 GHz with Microsoft's .NET. E.g., I typed in the 100,000 lines of text for the software for my start…

> Robocopy I don't get ms. There's a good kind of copy and a bad kind of copy. Why is the bad kind the default?

The bad kind keeps a legacy API that allows batch scripts from 1985 to work.

In every modern OS, the system packages—and most installable first-party packages in a package ecosystem—are there to make the (legacy) software you might install “just work”, not to provide the best experience for users using those packages directly.

Users, for their own needs, are expected to install their own tools and runtimes, or to consume collections of them through “toolchain environments” provided by software like IDEs.

Re: The Lesson to Unlearn

#195
The free market itself is the ultimate hackable test, no? Our society has examples where superb work goes unrewarded financially.

Does pg argue that they simply should ignore this test grade?

Re: The Lesson to Unlearn

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> In theory you shouldn't have to prepare for a test in a class any more than you have to prepare for a blood test. The key here is the “in theory” part. It is very hard to design exams that actually test your understanding of some topic as opposed to your memorization skills. As somebody who recently got his bachelor’s CS degree (currently working on my master’s degree), and who also puts more emphasis on actually l…

This is especially true in a domain that has no practical purpose. In computer science, the "exam" could be to go solve some hard problem, or write a program with a particular effect. In engineering, you can have students build a bridge and then stress test it. In athletics, the exam is competition. In business, it's making money. In dating, it's finding a mate (or whatever your personal goals are in that space). In…

>But what is the practical work product of a deep knowledge of medieval history? It's extremely difficult to test the past, so it's certainly not predictions about what already happened.

This strikes me as a really sad way to see the world.

Would you then agree that say, archaeology or palaeontology are things that nobody needs knowledge of for any practical purpose in the modern day? If you disagree, why?

Re: The Lesson to Unlearn

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> How does one get lots of users? They had all kinds of ideas about that. They needed to do a big launch that would get them "exposure." They needed influential people to talk about them. They even knew they needed to launch on a tuesday, because that's when one gets the most attention.

> No, I would explain, that is not how to get lots of users. The way you get lots of users is to make the product really great. Then people will not only use it but recommend it to their friends, so your growth will be exponential once you get it started.

Ironically enough, if there is one thing I've heard from HN, it is to not believe in the "if you build it, they will come" myth. That no matter how good a product you build as an engineer, it is all pointless if you aren't willing to hit the ground and start aggressively marketing and selling it. That a mediocre product with great marketing/sales, will win over a better product with poor marketing/sales.

I've heard this directly from YC partners themselves, when they keep telling early-stage founders to market themselves via "do things that don't scale". At Reddit, one of YC's early successes, the founders were literally spending their time spamming their own site with fake posts and comments using sock-puppets, in order to create the illusion of activity. As someone who loves building products, I hate the idea of spending time and energy on tactics like that. I'd love to spend all that time and energy on making my product better. But I've learnt grudgingly from YC that product development is pointless unless I'm using guerilla tactics to hawk my product in front of users.

Maybe I'm in the minority, but I've actually had the opposite experience as what PG describes in his essay. Back in school and University, I did study very hard to ace tests. But the way I studied was to genuinely learn and understand the material as well as possible. Not to "hack" it in some way. Whereas once I graduated, and especially once I tried out entrepreneurship, I realized that just building a great product was insufficient. I now had to "hustle" and use "street smarts" and "growth hacking" in order to get people to notice what I'm doing. The lesson I had to unlearn from school was that the quality of your work will speak for itself, and will win the day. I never needed marketing and sales in school, but it seems indispensable in the real world.

Re: The Lesson to Unlearn

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is especially true in a domain that has no practical purpose. In computer science, the "exam" could be to go solve some hard problem, or write a program with a particular effect. In engineering, you can have students build a bridge and then stress test it. In athletics, the exam is competition. In business, it's making money. In dating, it's finding a mate (or whatever your personal goals are in that space). In…

>But what is the practical work product of a deep knowledge of medieval history? It's extremely difficult to test the past, so it's certainly not predictions about what already happened. This strikes me as a really sad way to see the world. Would you then agree that say, archaeology or palaeontology are things that nobody needs knowledge of for any practical purpose in the modern day? If you disagree, why?

I didn't say we shouldn't study those things. I just said that there is not a much of a practical work product, and especially not one that a student could produce.

But, I also think that probably more people are studying them than need to be. If that is a student's interest, then well enough. Otherwise, I'm not sure that, e.g., a middle school medieval history class is a good use of a student's time.

Re: The Lesson to Unlearn

#199
The solution seems to be - avoid people with degrees from top universities? Or, in more extreme form, all college graduates.

Less extreme variant of it would be - OK, you went to college - but show me what you did on your own (personal projects, small attempts at startups etc.) during that time. That's what the game dev industry is doing. If the answer to this question is "nothing", then you're probably facing a person who's happy to take directions and land himself a cushy job in some large organization, where he will use his intelligence to navigate towards maximum pay and minimum workload.

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