Not sure I agree with this. The real world is very much about optimizing for and beating tests. It might be producing a specific CV or preparing for an interview whiteboard session to land a job. It might be socializing and networking in a specific way in order to land funding. The real world does not commonly reward just being really good at arbitrary things. It's almost always focused on meeting a need that someone…
That is only true if your life ambition is securing a job with that successful tech company. If your ambition is being successful on your own, as an academic, an entrepreneur or as an artist, there are no standardized tests to beat.
The Lesson to Unlearn
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#162> The way you get lots of users is to make the product really great. That is wrong – or, at the very least, incomplete. "Build it and they will come" is the dream and misconception of every programmer who's talented at software development but not at sales. Hell, this is the number one advice of every business how-to book ever: You can't rely on people finding out about your great product by chance, you need to put i…
Presumably the 10% weekly growth that YC and PG advocate as the default growth metric isn't expected to be in the absence of sales but the contrary, sales plus anything that works that is ethical and not some ponzi scheme.
He provided examples via the link to http://paulgraham.com/ds.html where he describes stripe founders engaging in zealous activities many would call sales despite being the type of startup that could have leaned back and had ample demand.
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#163I've found about how to hack the tests quite early on. I've had straight A's until I no longer cared about the grades. I've also realized that entering and pursuing a career at a tech corporations is a game as well. What has been driving me to startups is the fact that creating a profitable business has no place for hacks. Fundraising is a game that could be easily hacked though. I thought it was only possible to hac…
Not sure that's true. Marketing is a hack, for one. If you have the best product but nobody knows about it, it's no use.
More generally, there's a reason that the tech career ladder is hackable: performance reviews are both important and also too expensive to do right. If you want a real evaluation of what I've done over the past year, what you really need is someone following me 40 hours a week, noting how I contributed (positively or negatively) at small meetings, keeping track of whether my projects are late because I helped someone with something truly important or I spent my time on HN, etc. But you can't assign one reviewer per employee, so you make an approximate process where employees self-report what they did and managers report the fraction they've seen. You also can't get rid of the process, because a simple profit motive demands you incentivize employees for actually delivering business value. So you have a process that's vulnerable to exploits like flashy launches that will wither in a year.
If you as a business owner aren't evaluating your employees, you won't be profitable. If you're watching each moment of your employees, you're wasting time. If you spend your time developing a fairer review process, you're not working on your actual business. If you don't hire employees and just put yourself out there in the market, your customers certainly aren't evaluating you fairly. (And of course your employees and potential hires are evaluating you on partial data, and it's in your interest to hire and retain good employees.) So whatever you do, it's hackable, and if you don't play the game you'll forfeit it.
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#164>The real problem is that most tests don't come close to measuring what they're supposed to This is what happens when the teacher's hidden goal is to make marking/grading easier.
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#165My wife and I are contemplating unschooling our kids. The longer our son is in primary school, the more we see the deterioration of his willingness to learn anything school-related. He hates homework (as do most kids), and this is even more painful to see given that it has been shown that homework is essentially useless for learning performance. He still likes to write and do math, but as long as he is in school, we…
FWIW the UK Education Act actually enshrines this concept (parents are responsible for a child being educated), though this has been eroded considerably by Tory policy in the last decade or so. We did tell our primary school "don't expect homework from $child[0]" one year, they didn't complain. However we also wanted to do flexschooling and the head refused it, which I'm still smarting over and consider to have been a significant detriment.
That same primary school ditched regular style homework in favour of projects, which $child[1] wants to do, and we can decide easily to curtail the time used doing it if we want. It's a great way of doing homework IMO; very child-centric.
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#166I got into "computer science" before there was a CS degree. Our CS classes were taught in the math dept (fortran), business dept (cobol), or engineering (assembler). The profs were literally 1 chapter ahead of the students. I, however, was in love with the subject. I was the "student advisor" in our "machine room". We had 5 teletypes connected to a remote mainframe at Rutgers. I lived and breathed CS. I wrote tests f…
I think I fall into the "don't get it" category. Could you explain what I should be taking away from this? I understand that being at the leading edge has benefits, but it's not feasible to understand the state-of-the-art across an entire CS curriculum.
E.g., early in my career I stumbled onto some of what he is saying but then didn't appreciate the situation. Basically, just stay with what is hot. Get into a hot job, learn what is hot, jump to another job that wants the hot stuff, keep going for the hot stuff.
This way get to focus: (1) Actually can get okay with the point of the focus at the hot stuff because that point is not very large or hard if only because what is "hot" is from a public that doesn't know very much and (2) do not have to learn computer science broadly. If take the money from learning the hot stuff, get a good Ph.D. in what is arguably the better stuff, go back to the job market, and no longer be with the then current hot stuff, then can find that your career is in trouble.
Then using your actual competence in some actually important stuff, do a startup where need to please the users but not some naive public fooled by mostly simplistic hot stuff.
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#168> The way you get lots of users is to make the product really great. That is wrong – or, at the very least, incomplete. "Build it and they will come" is the dream and misconception of every programmer who's talented at software development but not at sales. Hell, this is the number one advice of every business how-to book ever: You can't rely on people finding out about your great product by chance, you need to put i…
"Make people want something that is actually junk." doesn't have quite the same ring to it, nor does it sound remotely more plausible. Presumably the 10% weekly growth that YC and PG advocate as the default growth metric isn't expected to be in the absence of sales but the contrary, sales plus anything that works that is ethical and not some ponzi scheme. He provided examples via the link to http://paulgraham.com/ds.…
It certainly doesn't have the same ring to it, but it's an extremely successful business model.
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#169Earlier quoted context omitted.
As an example, can you name a b2b or b2c product that you feel is truly great but overlooked?
B2B: (1) The scripting language Rexx. (2) The text editor KEdit with macro language KEXX much like Rexx. (1) and (2) are far and away my two most important tools in computing, from IBM mainframes to PCs, DOS, OS/2, Windows, and my startup on Windows 7 64 bit Professional on an AMD FX-8350 64 bit 8 core processor at 4.0 GHz with Microsoft's .NET. E.g., I typed in the 100,000 lines of text for the software for my start…
Ha! We use robocopy at work because IT refuses to fix our internal network. We can reliably reproduce an NFS mount dropping off the network around the 12th GB of a large file and the only answer is "stop bugging us and use robocopy". All it does is turn a 30-40 minute process into a 3-4 hour process.
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#170One test I had was a counterexample to the hackable tests that Paul talked about. And it was the only one of that kind that was of that nature. It was in the EE Static Fields course. The final exam was one question, and you could hear the groans as the test was passed out:
Derive Maxwell's Equations
This test was a great indicator of how well you got the basic facts of the course.