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Re: Low-Cost VPS Testing

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Post by capableweb » Sat, Dec 07, 2019, 11:16 AM UTC

cerberusss wrote: post #87

woadwarrior01 wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m not trying to be snarky, but I’m curious, what is it that you like about TeamViewer? I don’t run X on any of my servers, so plain old ssh (and mosh) work well for me. Have you considered the alternatives, perhaps tunnelling VNC/RDP over ssh? TeamViewer hasn’t had the best track record[1] when it comes to security (compared to something like OpenSSH). [1]: http://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvekey.cgi?keyword=TeamViewer

ssh works fine if you're using it as a server, sure. But sometimes, I want a Linux desktop complete with browser, torrent client, etc. I've considered the alternatives but I already remote into other platforms (Mac, Windows) so TeamViewer is already running on my desktop.

> ssh works fine if you're using it as a server, sure

woadwarrior01 only mentioned SSH as a transport to wrap RDP/VNC, both of which are remote desktops, just like TeamViewer. So combining SSH + RDP/VNC, you both get the security of SSH, and the remote desktop part. Windows even comes with RDP (maybe macOS also probably comes with RDP/VNC as well) so even less software to install/maintain!

Re: Low-Cost VPS Testing

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Post by pnutjam » Sat, Dec 07, 2019, 11:26 AM UTC

cerberusss wrote: post #87

woadwarrior01 wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m not trying to be snarky, but I’m curious, what is it that you like about TeamViewer? I don’t run X on any of my servers, so plain old ssh (and mosh) work well for me. Have you considered the alternatives, perhaps tunnelling VNC/RDP over ssh? TeamViewer hasn’t had the best track record[1] when it comes to security (compared to something like OpenSSH). [1]: http://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvekey.cgi?keyword=TeamViewer

ssh works fine if you're using it as a server, sure. But sometimes, I want a Linux desktop complete with browser, torrent client, etc. I've considered the alternatives but I already remote into other platforms (Mac, Windows) so TeamViewer is already running on my desktop.

I get a linux desktop with x2go. It operates entirely over ssh and is pretty easy to use and setup. It's very secure.

Re: Low-Cost VPS Testing

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Post by pnutjam » Sat, Dec 07, 2019, 11:28 AM UTC

I didn't see time4vps on here. They are the only provider I've seen with large storage vps's for a reasonable price. I use one to do all my cloud backups and I can still run afew services on top.

Re: Low-Cost VPS Testing

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Post by Youden » Sat, Dec 07, 2019, 11:31 AM UTC

cerberusss wrote: post #88

Youden wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apparently TeamViewer supports headless Linux servers: https://www.teamviewer.com/en/remote-access-headless-linux/ I'm guessing what you're getting at here though is that you want to manage the server through a desktop interface, complete with windows and menus and the like. Most people don't do that on Linux servers because most of the things you need to interact with to administrate one are only accessible through…

Yeah, I want a desktop. I manage my server via ssh of course, any extra graphical cruft is a liability there. > Xvfb I might, but I've tried a zillion things, and they all suck when you compare it to the ease of use that TeamViewer offers. What I also left out, is that I've already got the TeamViewer client running, because I remote into macOS and Windows.

Xvfb would give you the virtual desktop that the TeamViewer Server gives you access to. You'd still use the TeamViewer client to connect to it.

Xvfb is just a way of running a graphical environment on a machine that doesn't otherwise have one.

Re: Low-Cost VPS Testing

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Post by vpskalasatama » Sat, Dec 07, 2019, 11:50 AM UTC

"Nobody" needs more than 300M/s IO bandwidth... It's the IOPS that matter..so this comparison is rubbish

Re: Low-Cost VPS Testing

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Post by imPndy » Sat, Dec 07, 2019, 12:10 PM UTC

ignorantguy wrote: post #37

lowendbox has a lot of good options.

i would not recommend to look for hosts there. Most (say 90%) of the hosts seen there are hosted on Colocrossing that actually owns both LowendBox and Lowendtalk (forum, thats mostly ran by volunteers)

just today it turns out many of the hosts (20 and still increasing) posted there just suddenly decide to close shop, all at once, with the same email from all of them. This isnt even the first time this has happened, but it is on a larger scale. (you can read more about this on lowendtalk if interested)

Re: Low-Cost VPS Testing

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Post by nickjj » Sat, Dec 07, 2019, 12:24 PM UTC

Another important "potential pro" metric is how fast can you reset a server to a blank state without having to flat out destroy + create a new one.

This is super handy for testing configuration management tools.

With DigitalOcean they have a rebuild option where you can take an existing server and rebuild it with a new image. It takes like 10 seconds to wipe your server clean in 1 button press and you always get the same IP address. You also don't get charged for a new server since you're still using the original one.

It makes testing something like Ansible really pleasant because you can iterate so quickly. I know you can always test things in a local VM (and I do for most of it) but there are subtle differences in DO's base image vs a stock or bento vagrant box of ubuntu / debian.

Re: Low-Cost VPS Testing

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Post by justkez » Sat, Dec 07, 2019, 12:34 PM UTC

I've been running some live services on Hetzner Cloud (https://www.hetzner.com/cloud) and it's been very reliable. One server blip in ~1 year.

2Gb (20Gb storage, 20Tb transfer) from €2.49 - there are a few different DCs now so you can hedge your bets. The higher spec ones are great for Dockerizing a couple of postgresql backup servers.

Their VPS ('Cloud') offer is relatively new, with the dedicated and server auctions being their historical staple.

P.S. Very Euro centric, so probably not so good for Americas/AsiaPac

Re: Low-Cost VPS Testing

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Post by StevePerkins » Sat, Dec 07, 2019, 12:46 PM UTC

lapnitnelav wrote: post #43

fastball wrote: post #11

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Have you tried running Dokku[0] on a VPS? [0] https://github.com/dokku/dokku

Used to use Dokku but preferred Caprover because it's even less work and there's a web ui. Both are good though

Does CapRover's Web UI offer any kind of 2FA? It feels a bit scary to have the keys to the kingdom just hanging out in on a public IP address, for anyone to brute force the admin password.

Re: Low-Cost VPS Testing

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Post by cerberusss » Sat, Dec 07, 2019, 12:47 PM UTC

capableweb wrote: post #91

cerberusss wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

ssh works fine if you're using it as a server, sure. But sometimes, I want a Linux desktop complete with browser, torrent client, etc. I've considered the alternatives but I already remote into other platforms (Mac, Windows) so TeamViewer is already running on my desktop.

> ssh works fine if you're using it as a server, sure woadwarrior01 only mentioned SSH as a transport to wrap RDP/VNC, both of which are remote desktops, just like TeamViewer. So combining SSH + RDP/VNC, you both get the security of SSH, and the remote desktop part. Windows even comes with RDP (maybe macOS also probably comes with RDP/VNC as well) so even less software to install/maintain!

Yeah, I got that tunneling was assumed. In fact, VNC is madness without SSH tunneling. However when you look at macOS, the only VNC client that automatically sets up SSH tunneling is Screens.

But now comes the trick; one of your machines is behind a NAT. And it's macOS, or Windows, or what have you.

No VNC client is going to help you here. With TeamViewer, this just works. There is no open source offering that comes close, to my knowledge, because of the need for a proxy service.