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Re: Building a Search Engine from Scratch

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Post by pheug »

wizzwizz4 wrote: post #33
nostromo wrote: post #30

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They are literally rebuilding Google by tracking how users use Google and rebuilding the SERPs. If that’s not a Google clone I don’t know what is.

All search engines have search-engine results pages. They're looking at how users use Google Search because the data's there. They're making a competitor to Google Search. That doesn't mean they're rebuilding Google Search's SERPs, or making a Google Search “clone”; I've got results from Cliqz for queries I'm confident have never been put into Google before, meaning it's functioning as an independent search engine.

>They're looking at how users use Google Search because the data's there

This. Having worked in past life for one of their competitors, can confirm - what users click on (in SERP) is one of the most powerful signals for ranking. And who got (almost) all the clicks in the world? Google!

That's why it's so damn hard to beat them. It's the unreasonable effectiveness of data: more data (which they have almost all of) usually beats a smarter algorithm, and with 20 years R&D, theirs is surely not dumb.

Do the clicks belong to users or Google, that's an interesting question, though.

Re: Building a Search Engine from Scratch

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Post by big_chungus »

ExtraServings wrote: post #78
ben509 wrote: post #73

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Replacing the 'ol' suffix in 'googol' brings 'google' much closer to common English phonetics. These could all be pronounced the same but would have been a harder sell: * gugal -- like frugal * gugle -- like bugle * ghougle -- like ghoul * googull -- like gull

So should they rebrand as Clickle?

That would actually fall within the "goofy name but phonetically consistent" category that would be excusable once big, so maybe.

Re: Building a Search Engine from Scratch

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Post by big_chungus »

tschakkaMarc wrote: post #66
big_chungus wrote: post #53

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Maybe so, but honestly, the name is putting me off more than anything. It just doesn't sound professional, and causes me to perceive it as shady, even if it's not. The name also makes it sound like it's more about marketing "clicks" to advertisers than providing good results. None of that is necessarily true, but it's the impression the name gives. It needs to re-brand.

It’s the one time where I can honestly say: The discussion we’re having within Cliqz about our brand name are even more heated and controversial than here on Hacker News (and Reddit for that matter) ... but then there is this saying: “Every brand name is shit until you surpass one billion users - than it becomes brilliant”. More seriously: we do think about it a lot - happy to get ideas.

Thanks for responding. Honestly, knowing that there are people behind it who read HN and are humans lends it credibility. Glad to hear there may be a viable competitor to google, and I'll check it out. Mostly because the big g has started demanding re captchas on normal searches from my VPN IP, which is clean and I have owned for years. Some of the marketing I've seen mentioned, "AI-powered anti-tracking technology"; could you please elaborate on what that means?

Re: Building a Search Engine from Scratch

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Post by mrb »

bla3 wrote: post #79
mrb wrote: post #46

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« DuckDuckGo and other services that just package up Bing search results » Had to look that up. I found https://help.duckduckgo.com/results/sources/ Bing is just one of "hundreds of vertical sources delivering" results to DuckDuckGo.

That page basically confirms this. It says > To do that, we've developed an open source Instant Answer platform called DuckDuckHack, which links to https://duckduckhack.com/ which says "DuckDuckHack is now in Maintenance Mode". And the "four hundred sources" link links to 400 special case replies. They are probably useful, but fire rarely. It's basically Bing, and that page is a bunch of spin.

Interesting, thanks.

Re: Building a Search Engine from Scratch

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Post by richardw »

kome wrote: post #74
big_chungus wrote: post #53

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Maybe so, but honestly, the name is putting me off more than anything. It just doesn't sound professional, and causes me to perceive it as shady, even if it's not. The name also makes it sound like it's more about marketing "clicks" to advertisers than providing good results. None of that is necessarily true, but it's the impression the name gives. It needs to re-brand.

google is such a stupid name to be honest, and what the hell with amazon, is it some Brazilian website?

Googol can help: "Bezos instead named the business after the river reportedly for two reasons. One, to suggest scale (Amazon.com launched with the tagline "Earth's biggest book store") and two, back then website listings were often alphabetical."

https://mashable.com/2011/07/22/facts-amazon-com/

Re: Building a Search Engine from Scratch

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Post by liability »

tschakkaMarc wrote: post #66
big_chungus wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe so, but honestly, the name is putting me off more than anything. It just doesn't sound professional, and causes me to perceive it as shady, even if it's not. The name also makes it sound like it's more about marketing "clicks" to advertisers than providing good results. None of that is necessarily true, but it's the impression the name gives. It needs to re-brand.

It’s the one time where I can honestly say: The discussion we’re having within Cliqz about our brand name are even more heated and controversial than here on Hacker News (and Reddit for that matter) ... but then there is this saying: “Every brand name is shit until you surpass one billion users - than it becomes brilliant”. More seriously: we do think about it a lot - happy to get ideas.

How are there even two sides to the discussion internally? I'd sooner cut off my left nut with a spoon than trust any company named 'Cliqz.'

You might as well name yourself "Nigerian Princes Inc."

Re: Building a Search Engine from Scratch

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Post by ccleve »

tschakkaMarc wrote: post #66
big_chungus wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe so, but honestly, the name is putting me off more than anything. It just doesn't sound professional, and causes me to perceive it as shady, even if it's not. The name also makes it sound like it's more about marketing "clicks" to advertisers than providing good results. None of that is necessarily true, but it's the impression the name gives. It needs to re-brand.

It’s the one time where I can honestly say: The discussion we’re having within Cliqz about our brand name are even more heated and controversial than here on Hacker News (and Reddit for that matter) ... but then there is this saying: “Every brand name is shit until you surpass one billion users - than it becomes brilliant”. More seriously: we do think about it a lot - happy to get ideas.

Put your contact info here or in your profile and I'll send a really good idea...

Re: Building a Search Engine from Scratch

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Post by ma2rten »

trisch wrote: post #11
debt wrote: post #10

google's suggested autocorrect is one it's most impressive features; idk I'd say the relevance of the search results almost comes in a near second to that. so make a competitive "suggested autocorrect" solution and then I think you'd have a stew going.

There is an autocorrect feature and it's even described in the article. Or you mean something else?

They mean auto complete.
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