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Re: Librem 5 USA

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Do you have installation instructions on how to do this?

https://arm01.puri.sm/job/Images/job/Image%20Build/ - buster+ci images

That's a link to Jenkins. I was hoping for step by step of how to apply the newly built images and get the phone audio working so that people can make phone calls.

Re: Librem 5 USA

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You'd be an exception I think, especially given what the FAQ here states: https://puri.sm/posts/librem-5-batch-faq/ Q: If I receive the Librem 5 from one of the first batches, will I have a fully functional phone? A: Yes! Even the very earliest batches will be capable smartphone, including a modern web browser and core cell phone functionality. The expectation is that you'd receive a "fully functional phone". Until a…

Judging from all the opinions from actual owners I've seen so far, I definitely wouldn't be. As I said in another thread, that point still stands. Birch will be a fully usable device. Shipping announcement explicitly stated that there will be only a basic, initial release of software that doesn't include everything and that it will improve in time.

> Judging from all the opinions from actual owners I've seen so far, I definitely wouldn't be.

What opinions?

> As I said in another thread, that point still stands.

No, the point doesn't stand. Once again, here's a link to purism FAQ: https://puri.sm/posts/librem-5-batch-faq/

It explicitly states this:

> Q: If I receive the Librem 5 from one of the first batches, will I have a fully functional phone?

> A: Yes! Even the very earliest batches will be capable smartphone, including a modern web browser and core cell phone functionality.

The FAQ says that the earliest batches will be capable smartphones and will have core cell phone functionality. Purism says that phones from "one of the first batches" will be capable smartphones will all core cell phone functionality.

There is no way you can try and do mental gymnastics to justify your apparent belief that purism delivered on this. There is a huge difference between a device requiring some polish and finishing touches and delivering a phone:

    1. That can't make phone calls
    2. Has no power management so the battery lasts less than an hour
    3. Doesn't have working cameras
    4. Can't be charged while powered on
The device, far from being a "capable smartphone" is wholly unusable in its current state.

Simply contradicting the facts and providing no additional context or reasoning does not an argument make.

Re: Librem 5 USA

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https://arm01.puri.sm/job/Images/job/Image%20Build/ - buster+ci images

That's a link to Jenkins. I was hoping for step by step of how to apply the newly built images and get the phone audio working so that people can make phone calls.

The Jenkins link is pulling from their Git repository, which includes instructions on setting up a bootable SD card: https://source.puri.sm/Librem5/image-builder

It looks like it's just `dd`, and there are hundreds of tutorials online diving into how `dd` works if you're curious about learning more.

Not sure if there's a more complicated practice for flashing directly to the phone's internal storage itself, but it can't possibly be more complicated than installing a custom ROM on an Android phone.

Re: Librem 5 USA

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Judging from all the opinions from actual owners I've seen so far, I definitely wouldn't be. As I said in another thread, that point still stands. Birch will be a fully usable device. Shipping announcement explicitly stated that there will be only a basic, initial release of software that doesn't include everything and that it will improve in time.

> Judging from all the opinions from actual owners I've seen so far, I definitely wouldn't be. What opinions? > As I said in another thread, that point still stands. No, the point doesn't stand. Once again, here's a link to purism FAQ: https://puri.sm/posts/librem-5-batch-faq/ It explicitly states this: > Q: If I receive the Librem 5 from one of the first batches, will I have a fully functional phone? > A: Yes! Even…

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Re: Librem 5 USA

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AOSP is absolutely open source: the code can be viewed, modified, built and deployed as desired. There's good reason to be skeptical of Google-developed software, but your characterization of AOSP as "not open source" is simply not tenable.

Android versions in development are not open to contributions or community participation. Android is developed in secret behind closed doors. The end product AOSP spits out is open source, but to call it an open source project would be an extreme mischaracterization. And it is developed by Google, an ad company, not the community that eventually uses it.

Accepting external contributions is not a requirement of either Open Source or Free Software, and enforcing such a requirement is explicitly contra to the spirit of Free Software. The entire movement is about freedom, which includes the freedom not to accept downstream code.

Re: Librem 5 USA

#136

Wow, this version is $1,999, and if you've pre-ordered you can upgrade to the US-produced model for an extra $1,300. Does this pricing accurately reflect the increased cost of producing everything but the chassis in the US?

There are probably several factors at play here. First, not all of the parts are necessarily produced in the USA - the PCBA is produced there, and the parts are assembled there, but the parts themselves are likely procured elsewhere. Even still, this greatly complicates the kind of supply chain attack this is meant to prevent, because you have to compromise individual components that you hope will end up in the devic…

Compromising the PCBA is not reasonable attack, if you trust the company you're buying the hardware from. Their engineers will review the delivered hardware and ensure that the delivered design is identical to the one ordered. Realistically, the kind of bad actor this is marketed to prevent have no trouble getting into a chip fab in China (where the chips going onto the PCBA are produced) and inserting hardware backdoors there, which couldn't necessarily be detected by the engineers.

Re: Librem 5 USA

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why shouldn't, in this case, security be binary? either there is a threat or there isn't. if someone in china is adding additional monitoring malware to librem's phones then isn't the whole privacy/security thing out the window? either they believe in their chinese supply chain or they don't. and it's not like their usa manufacturing is done in-house by librem so they still don't have 'control over the entire assembl…

They have a nonbinary degree of confidence in the Chinese supply chain, while keeping in mind that the risk is slightly higher than it would be if it was assembled closer to them within an imperfect, but at least less openly hostile government that has less access to directly control business operations. The likelihood of China compromising the Librem 5 is very low, and there are safeguards in place to prevent that.…

You place a lot of faith on the ability of US-based companies to resist control by the US Government.

Re: Librem 5 USA

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Then you've got five year old phones. Even if you can get batteries for them in two years, then they'll be seven year old phones.

And? Can we not use hardware that's five years old? I have one as my main phone.

At some point the cost of a newer phone is less than the incremental value over the existing phone.

Re: Librem 5 USA

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https://arm01.puri.sm/job/Images/job/Image%20Build/ - buster+ci images

That's a link to Jenkins. I was hoping for step by step of how to apply the newly built images and get the phone audio working so that people can make phone calls.

Seriously? All it takes is just a quick look into manual.

https://developer.puri.sm/Librem5/Development_Environment/Ph...

Re: Librem 5 USA

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Judging from all the opinions from actual owners I've seen so far, I definitely wouldn't be. As I said in another thread, that point still stands. Birch will be a fully usable device. Shipping announcement explicitly stated that there will be only a basic, initial release of software that doesn't include everything and that it will improve in time.

> Judging from all the opinions from actual owners I've seen so far, I definitely wouldn't be. What opinions? > As I said in another thread, that point still stands. No, the point doesn't stand. Once again, here's a link to purism FAQ: https://puri.sm/posts/librem-5-batch-faq/ It explicitly states this: > Q: If I receive the Librem 5 from one of the first batches, will I have a fully functional phone? > A: Yes! Even…

The FAQ says that the earliest batches will be capable smartphones and will have core cell phone functionality. Purism says that phones from "one of the first batches" will be capable smartphones will all core cell phone functionality.

Those sentences are true. There's nothing preventing that hardware to become a perfectly capable smartphone in near future.

>What opinions?

https://old.reddit.com/r/Purism/comments/e2mqgb/i_have_my_li... https://azdle.net/2019/11/comparing-apples-and-gnomes/ https://0net.io/1EwAh4KUfGgRw1re7uyrmTUWKZYV9SHVcW/

...plus bunch of comments made by phone owners in various places, like Reddit or Hacker News, or directly via mail. I haven't seen anyone expressing any kind of regret that they got their phones too soon.

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