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Re: The Great Cannon has been deployed again

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How about interrupting BGP traffic from/to China by nearby western AS everytime the Cannon is used?

What would happen if we black hole all of china's IP range from all over the USA?

I suspect that a lot of businesses would flex muscle on both sides to get that to stop really quickly.

It would be a hard policy to implement on our side, but likely very effective. Its almost like we need someone in power smart enough to ASK telco's and carriers to DO such a thing.

Re: The Great Cannon has been deployed again

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It's not that nobody cares, it's that nobody can do anything about it.

Well, with the rise of anti DDoS services meaning the targeted websites are staying online, rendering the “Great Cannon” more like a pathetic peashooter, that’s doing one thing.

Calling China out whenever they do this is another.

Unmask the Chinazis for what they are.

Re: The Great Cannon has been deployed again

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So if the cannon is created using the great firewall, how does the Chinese government establish any sort of plausible argument that this isn't state-sponsored activity? Do they just not care? Some day soon a war will not be started with an assassins bullet but with a tool like this. I wonder when we start looking at them the same way?

War seems to progress as follows: 0 - Peace 1 - Trade War 2 - Financial War 3 - Electronic War 4 - Shooting War Note that 1 & 2 are different types of Economic war, and could be grouped together. The steps occur in order, but steps can be skipped. From a US-centric point of view, North Korea and Iran seem to be at #3. China & Russia are at a limited version of #2. Chinese/HK seem to be at #3 with each other.Given how…

John Perkins has written extensively on this topic, as he has had a career conducting 2 and 3 for the US. His book Confessions of an Economic Hit Man is instructive.

https://www.amazon.com/New-Confessions-Economic-Hit-Man/dp/1...

Re: The Great Cannon has been deployed again

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War seems to progress as follows: 0 - Peace 1 - Trade War 2 - Financial War 3 - Electronic War 4 - Shooting War Note that 1 & 2 are different types of Economic war, and could be grouped together. The steps occur in order, but steps can be skipped. From a US-centric point of view, North Korea and Iran seem to be at #3. China & Russia are at a limited version of #2. Chinese/HK seem to be at #3 with each other.Given how…

I don't know who to attribute this to but I've heard a saying: "Countries that trade with each other don't make war with each other." As we isolate countries and disrupt trade we definitely are increasing the risk of conflict.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/china/955570...

This was a common argument as to why WWI couldn't happen, countries were far too economically dependent, everyone would be ruined.

Except it did happen, and everyone was ruined.

Re: The Great Cannon has been deployed again

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I agree, but given I pay United States taxes, how about the Iraq war with 600,000 dead? I know it's displacing a dictator and it was under the guise of freedom, weapons, and democracy. But if your family died, does it matter? What's the China propaganda say? Unity, equality, efficiency? Why is our murder better?

If you can’t distinguish between the Vietnamese War and the Axis Concentration Camps on a scale of atrocity, I’m doubtful there’s any intellectual exercise that’s going to clarify that for you.

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Re: The Great Cannon has been deployed again

#226

Browsers really have to be a lot more skeptical about the code they run. Running code should not be able to randomly attack any IP address on the internet. Code from non-TLS pages should not be able to run at all. Perhaps that should also apply to code loaded from 3rd party sites. Connecting to a web page should not be consent to allow the operators of that web page to make my computer/phone do whatever they want on…

> Running code should not be able to randomly attack any IP address on the internet.

How would you prevent this? What constitutes an "attack", and how would you make sure you're not interfering with non-malicious use cases?

Re: The Great Cannon has been deployed again

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I agree, but given I pay United States taxes, how about the Iraq war with 600,000 dead? I know it's displacing a dictator and it was under the guise of freedom, weapons, and democracy. But if your family died, does it matter? What's the China propaganda say? Unity, equality, efficiency? Why is our murder better?

If you can’t distinguish between the Vietnamese War and the Axis Concentration Camps on a scale of atrocity, I’m doubtful there’s any intellectual exercise that’s going to clarify that for you.

Absolutely, there's no intellectual process to get there. [0] Rather it requires a lifelong immersion in "news" media committed to minimizing USA war crimes, coupled with an aggressively jingoistic ignorance of history.

[0] that is, one brutally murdered innocent child of innocent parents is not really different than some other brutally murdered innocent child of innocent parents.

Re: The Great Cannon has been deployed again

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I don't know who to attribute this to but I've heard a saying: "Countries that trade with each other don't make war with each other." As we isolate countries and disrupt trade we definitely are increasing the risk of conflict.

Yes, who cares about the forced labor camps and suicide nets around factories. I want my cheap plastic consumer devices!!

> Yes, who cares about the forced labor camps and suicide nets around factories.

Nobody really cares, except for those directly involved. Sad but true, nobody will ever go to war for that, for foreign citizens.

> I want my cheap plastic consumer devices!!

People do actually want that. And their cheap shoes and clothes and...

Re: The Great Cannon has been deployed again

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I agree, but given I pay United States taxes, how about the Iraq war with 600,000 dead? I know it's displacing a dictator and it was under the guise of freedom, weapons, and democracy. But if your family died, does it matter? What's the China propaganda say? Unity, equality, efficiency? Why is our murder better?

It might not be. Does that mean we can't decry both?
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