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The eleven nations of the United States and their cultures

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Re: The eleven nations of the United States and their cultures

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Post by bcmo »

batterseapower wrote: post #28

There is some genetic basis for this: https://slatestarcodex.com/2017/02/08/albions-seed-genotyped...

I never thought it had its basis in genetics, though that is pretty interesting. At least from what I remember in reading Albion's seeds it was the result of distinct cultures.

I think the division can be pretty broad. I live in Boston, and I've sometimes heard comparisons of North Shore vs South Shore to be culturally rooted in Puritans settling North, vs Pilgrims settling in South. Generally genetically the same but a little different starting point, culturally.

Re: The eleven nations of the United States and their cultures

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stallmanite wrote: post #40
ninkendo wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Theres a big push underway now to get rid of all American civil rights in favor of security theater Huh?

4th amendment, 2nd amendment. You really don’t see this?

No, I really don’t. Could you elaborate?

2nd amendment rights are stronger than ever. 4th amendment rights issues kinda peaked about 10 years ago, and although Snowden certainly shined a bright light on some shady things, I would hardly call it a “big push”, given the backlash and the fact that the public doesn’t seem to be going along with it.

I’m much more concerned about the entire public’s outright willingness to broadcast every facet of our lives right out in public for anyone to see (what the IC would call “open source” intelligence) than any spying the government is doing on our private information.

Re: The eleven nations of the United States and their cultures

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Post by pjc50 »

1123581321 wrote: post #41
ben_w wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thinking about who has the vote back when the USA became independent, I think of those lords as being close in character and power to dark age European kings, and I mentally map their slaves to feudal serfs.[0] My cynical reading is that describes an attitude of “if you let someone else tell you what to do that makes you a peasant, so when we do it it’s fine because we do it to peasants, but when other people do some…

A better analogy would be to the lower, mostly independent rungs of a feudal society like the English yeoman. Antebellum, the general attitude in the South was that even the poorest person was entitled to live his life as he saw fit on his land, and should be regarded as equal to a rich plantation owner with employees and slaves. There was generally no bureaucracy that could force a poor person to lose his land, make…

> even the poorest person was entitled to live his life as he saw fit on his land

.. but by implication non-landowners were second class citizens, and nonwhite people were unpersons?

> Social customs somewhat enforced neighborly behavior in place of regulation

Including lynching.

Re: The eleven nations of the United States and their cultures

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Post by willis936 »

Upstate NY is not Yankeedom. It is Greater Appalachia.

Also, many of the Midwest states are less Yankeedom and more Heartland.

Also, Dallas is Greater Appalachia and not Deep South yet Houston is Deep South and not New France?

Also, LA is El Norte and not the Left Coast?

Was this map based on 200 year old data?

Re: The eleven nations of the United States and their cultures

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Post by joncp »

willis936 wrote: post #54

Upstate NY is not Yankeedom. It is Greater Appalachia. Also, many of the Midwest states are less Yankeedom and more Heartland. Also, Dallas is Greater Appalachia and not Deep South yet Houston is Deep South and not New France? Also, LA is El Norte and not the Left Coast? Was this map based on 200 year old data?

Putting Upstate into one bucket is going to be problematic no matter what label you give it. The southern tier is definitely Appalachia, the eastern side is Yankeedom, and WNY is heartland.

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Post by derekerdmann »

willis936 wrote: post #54

Upstate NY is not Yankeedom. It is Greater Appalachia. Also, many of the Midwest states are less Yankeedom and more Heartland. Also, Dallas is Greater Appalachia and not Deep South yet Houston is Deep South and not New France? Also, LA is El Norte and not the Left Coast? Was this map based on 200 year old data?

Greater Appalachia definitely extends through PA in a T shape across the center of the state and the northern border (sometimes called Pennsyltucky) and covers at least the Southern Tier in New York.

Re: The eleven nations of the United States and their cultures

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Post by stallmanite »

ninkendo wrote: post #52
stallmanite wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

4th amendment, 2nd amendment. You really don’t see this?

No, I really don’t. Could you elaborate? 2nd amendment rights are stronger than ever. 4th amendment rights issues kinda peaked about 10 years ago, and although Snowden certainly shined a bright light on some shady things, I would hardly call it a “big push”, given the backlash and the fact that the public doesn’t seem to be going along with it. I’m much more concerned about the entire public’s outright willingness to…

2nd amendment is doing ok I’ll walk that one back. 4th amendment is dead and buried. Totally agree that the public not giving a fuck is a severe problem. Cheers

Re: The eleven nations of the United States and their cultures

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Post by 1123581321 »

pjc50 wrote: post #53
1123581321 wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A better analogy would be to the lower, mostly independent rungs of a feudal society like the English yeoman. Antebellum, the general attitude in the South was that even the poorest person was entitled to live his life as he saw fit on his land, and should be regarded as equal to a rich plantation owner with employees and slaves. There was generally no bureaucracy that could force a poor person to lose his land, make…

> even the poorest person was entitled to live his life as he saw fit on his land .. but by implication non-landowners were second class citizens, and nonwhite people were unpersons? > Social customs somewhat enforced neighborly behavior in place of regulation Including lynching.

Lynchings were post-war, mostly post reconstruction. I think second-class citizen is close enough to work.
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