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I documented every surveillance camera on my way to work in New York City

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Re: I documented every surveillance camera on my way to work in New York City

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Post by rapnie »

achow wrote: post #32
licebmi__at__ wrote: post #8

One thing that I always wondered is if people just ignore the cameras. Once I got called for questioning on a local retail store, since I was with enough free time and a good mood, so I just went with it. So the reason I was called was that the security guard noticed that I was looking at all security cameras which made me seem suspicious, my only answer was "well they're distracting". Anyway there was no other irreg…

From the people who are not familiar with studies conducted in the software usability labs, quite a common question is - Aren't test participant aware of the very visible camera pointed at them and the monitor and therefore they would not be at their natural self? The answer is the test participants forget that there are cameras once they start on a task. I guess same thing is true in our daily life, once we are focu…

With AI/ML and facial recognition I wonder how long it will take before supermarkets etc. start to track the productivity of their employees and account them for it (reprimand, salary, job loss, ..).

They will be 100% aware of the cameras then, all-of-the-time.

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Post by elygre »

esotericn wrote: post #33
rbinv wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I honestly can't tell if this is real or not. If it is: what the fuck.

Oh, it's real alright. That's probably the worst one. There are some that are less ridiculous, but they're all quite 'nanny state'. http://www.glasgowprestwick.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/S... Trains are the best. Imagine an announcement. If you see something that doesn't look right, SEE IT, SAY IT, SORTED. If you see something that doesn't look right, SEE IT, SAY IT, SORTED. If you see something that doesn't look…

I though it was “SEE IT, SAY IT [and we will] SORT IT”.

It still gives me the chill.

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Post by xiconfjs »

lm28469 wrote: post #40
rapnie wrote: post #19

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Some years ago I saw a documentary from a CCTV control room in Rotterdam, Netherlands monitoring busy shopping streets. The operators deemed everyone walking aimlessly as suspicious, and would follow them from camera to camera. At one point a guy was reading from a piece of paper, and the camera zoomed in until the text was clearly readable. Creepy af. The mentality there was, if you feel uncomfortable you probably h…

I very often go out at night to walk or take some picture of monuments in Berlin. I get stopped every single time by security guards, police, &c. "It's a private property you can't be there" Ah right, the sidewalk is a private property now. The worst thing is that you can't says anything, you can't call the cops on the cops... Try taking a picture of police officers/cars or of a security camera. It's 100% legal but t…

do you have some examples? I'm also around in Berlin at night taking pictures and never had a situation like that. I would love to go to these places and annoy some stupid people

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Post by [deleted] »

achow wrote: post #34
Out_of_Characte wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe I should have clarified because it seems obvious. In my country you can't point a camera at anything that isn't your property. Which means you can't point it in a way that you can see your neighbours, or on a public street. You're not being filmed or recorded at all times and if you are, you know exactly who is doing it. This is properly enforced in almost all cases exept highways, some public libraries and ent…

Isn't 'pointing at' little nebulous. I may have setup my camera to point at my backyard, but some portion of neighbor's yard may showup in the corner. If I adjust the camera to eliminate this neighbor's yard then the other one's creeps into the view from other side. For the both the situation my camera is squarely 'pointed at' the center of my backyard.

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Re: I documented every surveillance camera on my way to work in New York City

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Post by rapnie »

Out_of_Characte wrote: post #24
rkagerer wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What country is that?

Netherlands

I wonder about the enforcement. I see Ring video doorbells popping up in lotsa places that are clearly filming public streets. Maybe enforcement is slow, or only happens after someone reports a violation.

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Post by lm28469 »

xiconfjs wrote: post #44
lm28469 wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I very often go out at night to walk or take some picture of monuments in Berlin. I get stopped every single time by security guards, police, &c. "It's a private property you can't be there" Ah right, the sidewalk is a private property now. The worst thing is that you can't says anything, you can't call the cops on the cops... Try taking a picture of police officers/cars or of a security camera. It's 100% legal but t…

do you have some examples? I'm also around in Berlin at night taking pictures and never had a situation like that. I would love to go to these places and annoy some stupid people

Altes Stadthaus, especially if you try to take pics of the inside. Jewish museum in Lindenstr also. The cops at alexanderplatz at night. Any construction site with private security.

I have bulky medium format analog camera, a tripod and mostly do long exposure, maybe they don't like that, idk.

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Post by ryandvm »

I wonder if you could fight fire with fire on this one. Imagine a grassroots project of targeted surveillance that specifically focused on geo-tracking the people that could change things (politicians, law enforcement) but ironically operated by privacy minded folks.

Basically, anyone with a fixed camera could participate. They'd have their video uploaded to a system that would use facial recognition on regional lawmakers to produce an incredibly creepy database of all the public activity of the targets. I would think this would be creepy enough to bring a national conversation about the topic front and center.

It's a bit of a false-flag/scorched-earth operation, but the end goal being legislation that makes such invasive surveillance illegal.

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Post by danaris »

Out_of_Characte wrote: post #2

Quite ironic to post this piece of journalism on one of the worst offenders on tracking and personalised advertisements. I can see more than 20 scripts without even having anything enabled. Set your own house in order before judging the government.

It is not OK to require people to be 100% "Pure" before seeking to improve the world around them.

Hypocrites who seek to make the government do better things even when they're doing similar bad things are still seeking to make the government do better things.

The morality of an act of activism does not change based on the personal failings of the person engaging in it. (It can change based on the intentions of that person—eg, if the thing they're trying to get the government to do would also make it easier for them to get away with currently-illegal/immoral acts, but that's a separate issue from mere hypocrisy.)

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