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A new way to make quadratic equations easy

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Re: A new way to make quadratic equations easy

#11
I have trouble understanding why this deserves a paper. This is what I learned in middle school back in Vietnam (although I did take advanced Math).

For equation Ax^2 + Bx^2 + C = 0, the roots are:

x1 = (-B + sqrt(B^2 - 4AC))/2A

x2 = (-B - sqrt(B^2 - 4AC))/2A

Now the author looks at a special case where A = 1. The equation becomes x^2 + Bx^2 + C = 0. Of course the roots simply become:

x1 = -B/2 + sqrt(B^2 - 4C)/2 = -B/2 + sqrt((B^2)/4 - C)

x2 = -B/2 - sqrt((B^2)/4 - C)

> "The author would actually be very surprised if this approach has entirely eluded human discovery until the present day, given the 4,000 years of history on this topic, and the billions of people who have encountered the formula and its proof. Yet this technique is certainly not widely taught or known (the author could find no evidence of it in English sources)"

I certainly don't think it has eluded humany discovery until the present day. It's known to middle school students in Asia that multiplying the original equation so that A == 1 would greatly simplify the roots formula.

Re: A new way to make quadratic equations easy

#12
I have been using a technique that's almost identical to this for years, based simply on observing that the roots are symmetric around the min/maximum: differentiate, set to zero, then difference of squares.

This cannot be an unrecorded technique can it?

Re: A new way to make quadratic equations easy

#13
This seems more complicated and roundabout than completing the square. The average of the roots shows up that way too:

We want to write x^2 + bx + c = 0 in the form (x+m)^2 + n = 0, so there's only one x left and we can rearrange for it.

Expanding, (x+m)^2 = x^2 + 2mx + m^2, so we get the x^2 we want, and the coefficients of x tell us b = 2m, so m = b/2. We also get an m^2 (= b^2/4) we don't want, so let's take it away:

(x + b/2)^2 - b^2/4 = x^2 + bx

That x + b/2 is x - (-b/2), x minus the average of the roots, which is the x value the parabola is centred on. Then we add c:

(x + b/2)^2 - b^2/4 + c = x^2 + bx + c

To find the roots, set it to 0 and rearrange for the one x that's left:

(x + b/2)^2 - b^2/4 + c = 0

(x + b/2)^2 = b^2/4 - c

x + b/2 = ±√(b^2/4 - c)

x = -b/2 ± √(b^2/4 - c)

Note that this is the average of the roots ± the article's z. Then combine:

x = -b/2 ± √((b^2-4c)/4)

x = -b/2 ± √(b^2-4c)/2

x = (-b ± √(b^2-4c))/2

If you have ax^2+bx+c = 0, divide the equation by a first, then do the same steps and you get the normal quadratic formula:

x = (-b ± √(b^2-4ac))/(2a)

I think the linked post misstates the purpose of the article: it's not about new maths, but about pedagogy and ways of explaining the quadratic formula.

Re: A new way to make quadratic equations easy

#14
post #12

I have been using a technique that's almost identical to this for years, based simply on observing that the roots are symmetric around the min/maximum: differentiate, set to zero, then difference of squares. This cannot be an unrecorded technique can it?

No, it's basically what the quadratic formula does. (Well, all methods solve the same equation and get the same roots, so they have to be equivalent.)

Re: A new way to make quadratic equations easy

#15

I have trouble understanding why this deserves a paper. This is what I learned in middle school back in Vietnam (although I did take advanced Math). For equation Ax^2 + Bx^2 + C = 0, the roots are: x1 = (-B + sqrt(B^2 - 4AC))/2A x2 = (-B - sqrt(B^2 - 4AC))/2A Now the author looks at a special case where A = 1. The equation becomes x^2 + Bx^2 + C = 0. Of course the roots simply become: x1 = -B/2 + sqrt(B^2 - 4C)/2 = -…

> I have trouble understanding why this deserves a paper. This is what I learned in middle school back in Vietnam (although I did take advanced Math).

> [...]

> It's known to middle school students in Asia that multiplying the original equation so that A == 1 would greatly simplify the roots formula.

I think the same having attended a regular grammar school in Germany.

Re: A new way to make quadratic equations easy

#16
Note that he critisize the classical formula but that he, then, suppose that A=1 when he gives his formulation (making it simpler). Adding A back gives :

-B/2A ± sqrt(B²/4A - C/A)

which is not obviously simpler than :

(-B ± sqrt(B² - 4AC)) / 2A

Re: A new way to make quadratic equations easy

#17

I have trouble understanding why this deserves a paper. This is what I learned in middle school back in Vietnam (although I did take advanced Math). For equation Ax^2 + Bx^2 + C = 0, the roots are: x1 = (-B + sqrt(B^2 - 4AC))/2A x2 = (-B - sqrt(B^2 - 4AC))/2A Now the author looks at a special case where A = 1. The equation becomes x^2 + Bx^2 + C = 0. Of course the roots simply become: x1 = -B/2 + sqrt(B^2 - 4C)/2 = -…

The a = 1 is not the important bit - that's probably nearly universal.

Re: A new way to make quadratic equations easy

#20
post #18

Is it just me, or are the images in the article extremely pixelated?

Yes, they're terrible. Katex or MathJax would be both easier and better. There's also at least one formula mistake: a cx^2 shows up briefly.

One would think an MIT technical publication (PR arm?) aimed at showing off their prowess would know how to typeset an equation.
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