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A Week in the Life of a McDonald’s Cashier

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...so this is going to be unpopular and create some cognitive dissonance around here, but I'm firmly convinced that an economic system that will allow for the top earners to earn a lot (in international comparison) can only be enabled if the bottom earners earn little (in international comparison).

In the United Arab Emirates, there are price-controls in place for certain low-level services. Like the price that a hair salon can charge for a haircut is price-controlled at a low price-level. This way they prevent a situation where a hair stylist can start accumulating wealth beyond their socially assigned (slave-like) status by becoming great at their craft, opening a premium hair salon and charging premium prices and accumulating wealth in the process. [Needless to say, craftsmanship is at a very low standard over there as a result]. -- The U.S. system is basically that, only not as blatant. It keeps down the underclass, because that's what's needed to enable the elites.

That makes it sound cruel and cynical. But the opposite is also cruel and cynical.

Take Austria as a counter-example which has very high per-head GDP and is at the same time one of the countries with the lowest Gini-coefficients in the world (low income-disparity). Your yearly increment in wealth post wealth-transfer like tax & government spending, social security, etc in Austria when you're a McDonald's cashier is probably three times what it is in the U.S. But for a highly qualified Software Engineer it's probably only a third of what it would be if they worked an equivalent job in the U.S.

Imagine you earn a six-figure salary in the U.S. in a Software Engineering job and you move to Austria: You might well find yourself in a situation where your neighbor, who is a bricklayer, has a bigger house than you, drivers a nicer car, works less hours, etc because they get paid in cash and cheat on their taxes.

Re: A Week in the Life of a McDonald’s Cashier

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not like they can replace human personnel that easy. Ordering kiosks are the low-hanging fruit, and then comes a long, long stretch of nothing, because it turns out that developing McDonalds-compatible robots capable of preparing burgers and packing up meals is about as easy as developing actually-working autonomous vehicles. And about as expensive. It's probably easier to automate the managers away. Meaning the…

I would argue it's substantially easier to produce a fully-automatic McDonalds than it is to produce an autonomous car that can actually deal with any reasonable situation in the real world. With a McDonalds restaurant, you can control your environment almost perfectly. If you throw away the kitchen that was designed to be used by humans, and then develop a kitchen never intended to be used by humans, you can drop a…

So then what happens when someone makes a mess of the dining area or the bathrooms? I've seen roombas encounter dog excrement—not pretty. Or if a fight breaks out among customers? Most Mcdonalds operate pretty lean, sometimes two people. I can't imagine a complex automation setup and hiring a pricey/hr guy to service it every week is going to be cheaper than two guys on minimum wage and no benefits.

Re: A Week in the Life of a McDonald’s Cashier

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...so this is going to be unpopular and create some cognitive dissonance around here, but I'm firmly convinced that an economic system that will allow for the top earners to earn a lot (in international comparison) can only be enabled if the bottom earners earn little (in international comparison). In the United Arab Emirates, there are price-controls in place for certain low-level services. Like the price that a hai…

I'd much rather live in a country where disparity is not clear like in Austria than the US. And I'm a software engineer but that doesn't change how I think about social justice.

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...and imagine if the moonlighting software devs were only getting paid what the warehouse workers were receiving, instead of their normal developer pay.. the work becomes a lot "harder" / more thankless when your pay is 1/3 or 1/4 as much.

Add on the stress of wondering where your next meal is coming from, or how you're going to pay rent this month... every day, for the rest of your life, and your quality of life sinks dramatically.

I've been in a weird variant of that for 16 years: I've had crippling anxiety that today might be the day that my computer dies. Try as I might, I cannot shake it - because it's not an irrational fear.

I simply look at eBay and see the $200-$400 price tags to replace my current machine (10-year old ThinkPad T400) and try not to cry. (This one was given to me by a friend)

I found an 800MHz AMD Duron with 128MB RAM on the side of the road in 2013. Browsing the web on that box was fun, even after maxing out the RAM with everything in the house and getting it up to 320MB.

In 2005 I was running a 66MHz 486DX2 with 8MB of free diskspace (oh and 4MB RAM).

The outlier was the Pentium 4 I used for a bit in 2006 - it had a crippled motherboard that couldn't do DMA to the HDD, only PIO, so the cursor would freeze if anything was accessing the HDD even for a fraction of a second. This was the Firefox 2.x era, so with 512MB of RAM I was mostly staring at "Task Manager (Not Responding)" instead of doing anything useful.

My point with all this: it has taken me about 20 years to realize that my general lack of success at mastering computer science wasn't entirely due to the learning difficulties and other mental health issues preventing me from holding down a traditional job - it was access to sane equipment.

I have had the ABSOLUTE HARDEST TIME EVER (emphasis appropriate and necessary) to FORCE myself to do ANYTHING with computers beyond what I'd describe "theoretical learning". "But what if I start this project and the computer dies tomorrow?????" is what a part of my head sort of screams/cries out anytime I have a new idea (with that many anxious questionmarks).

Unresolvable problem, currently. And an interesting one, too, since if I _could_ start a project, and hold it together, I might actually be able to get somewhere and move up.

...Except for the fact that the disability support I'm currently eligible for only recognizes casual/part time work payment structures, not bulk post-payment consulting/bug-bounty up-front types of remuneration, which is the type of thing I have any confidence in my abilities with. (Since I can cram and do the work in a sprint, then run away and have a break for a million years afterwards.)

So yeah, I am practically disabled because of how my mental health issues are classified, not directly because of the issues themselves (which have an impact but do leave me with some level of functionality which I am unable to effectively use).

Re: A Week in the Life of a McDonald’s Cashier

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

McDonald's around me have already replaced cashiers with kiosks Here, too. But usually half of them are broken in one way or another, like the touch screen doesn't respond or the receipt printer is out of paper, or something I saw in a TV commercial isn't in the menu structure, or the pricing isn't the same as in an ad, etc... These are things a cashier is still needed for. As an aside, I find it curious that my loca…

> These are things a cashier is still needed for. Is a cashier needed, or just an on call tech who oversees a dozen restaurants? I would imagine working on the kinks in the kiosks and improving their reliability to be doable.

Can the guy on call clean the stalls in the bathroom too? Change the trash? You probably need a custodian too on shift. The mcDonalds by campus gets trashed instantly during drinking hours.

Re: A Week in the Life of a McDonald’s Cashier

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Coming from Norway, this article is horrendous. I can never understand the mentality that lies behind all of the arguments most you guys are presenting here - defending the employers shit salary and rights.

You guys know that McDonalds manages to run in countries with decent wages as well, right? And that maybe a company with a yearly global profit of over 10 billion dollars might be able to afford giving their employees a livable wage. Hell, just the fact that it`s possible to have a full time job in the US, and still need food stamps should be a massive, red flag about your situation. But for some reason you prefer to (by extension) defend the extremely rich owners of these companies.

Re: A Week in the Life of a McDonald’s Cashier

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I’ve worked in the fast food industry for 14 years—about half my life Can someone give me an anecdotal example of how this could come to be without some fault in Brown's decision-making process? For starters, I've always heard that commute time is inversely proportional to career mobility. I made it a rule not to work anywhere farther than half an hour away. And that is the absolute maximum which was necessary when I…

> anecdotal example of how this could come to be without some fault in Brown's decision-making process?

You've really never made 1 bad decision, or 10, in your life?

I have plenty of bad decisions, total screwups even, in my history. Some of them were from being petulant, or naive. Some because I was depressed. Yet I'm a white collar educated professional, I'm part because I made some good decisions, and also because that's the environment I was born into, so I was taught how to succeed in that world.

Why do we expect the poor to be paragons of perfect decision making, when the more privileged can make a normal human level of mistakes and still retain their position?

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One thing that made her life so difficult is the difficulty of getting to and from work. It's pretty crazy that we spend nearly 15% of GDP on transportation costs. I mean sure, we can all reduce the expenses by buying a 10 year old Prius and get our travel costs down. but, a big part of the problem is that housing is always so far away from work. 500 years ago, people lived within a mile or less of their work places.…

A great short term solution would be to increase the investment in the local bus system. Full buses have a much better carbon footprint than single passenger cars. The article highlights a real need for more bus stops and 24/hr bus service.

Enforced bus lanes would go a long way in getting people to use the bus, and if more people use it then maybe headways can get to a reasonable number.

I ride the second busiest bus route in LA. Its serviced by a local and a rapid route with less frequent stops, and only the double long accordion style busses are run.

You would think the ridership and equipment would make for frequent and reliable service. But sometimes the headways are 7 minutes, sometimes back to back, sometimes over 25 minutes, sometimes skipping the stop. There is no telling.

Re: A Week in the Life of a McDonald’s Cashier

#580

...so this is going to be unpopular and create some cognitive dissonance around here, but I'm firmly convinced that an economic system that will allow for the top earners to earn a lot (in international comparison) can only be enabled if the bottom earners earn little (in international comparison). In the United Arab Emirates, there are price-controls in place for certain low-level services. Like the price that a hai…

I'd much rather live in a country where disparity is not clear like in Austria than the US. And I'm a software engineer but that doesn't change how I think about social justice.

But government-mandated wealth-transfer is not "justice". "Justice" also entails the ability to earn a return if you make an investment rather than having the return taken away by the government.

Scenario A: Your dad is a bricklayer and teaches you how to do bricklaying. You start taking jobs in the black economy, working at construction sites, getting paid in cash and not paying taxes. You start doing that when you're 14 (which is the earliest age you can legally quit school). By the time you're 30 you will have built your own house and paid it off.

Scenario B: You're 28 years old when you graduate from university with a PhD but you still cannot expect a level of income higher than the bricklayer's. In Austria you wouldn't have student debts, as your university education would have been paid for by the government, so that's good. But your daddy would have had to pay for your living expenses until you were 28. So that's a lot of money. Also, you've just spent 14 years not earning anything, so that's opportunity cost. Maybe you worked very hard at university, working late, instead of going out with your friends, doing summer internships instead of going on holiday, etc. All of that is investment not only in financial terms, but also in terms of "life energy" (if that's a word).

In Scenario B, as compared with A, there is no way you will ever be able to earn a return on that investment or recoup it in financial terms. You will never catch up with the level of wealth under Scenario A.

It doesn't work for the individual, and it doesn't work for the country as a whole: This is an advanced economy, and it couldn't work if there weren't doctors, lawyers, bankers, software engineers etc. But people are disincentivized from wanting those jobs, because you can do far easier and less stressful jobs that will get you to the same or even higher levels of wealth.

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