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The eleven nations of the United States and their cultures

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Re: The eleven nations of the United States and their cultures

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Wrong link. The link sends readers to the bottom of the page

> www.businessinsider.com/the-11-nations-of-the-united-states-2015-7#first-nation-most-of-whose-people-live-in-the-northern-part-of-the-country-is-made-up-of-native-americans-11

should be

> www.businessinsider.com/the-11-nations-of-the-united-states-2015-7

Re: The eleven nations of the United States and their cultures

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It's interesting to see how canned phrases to represent certain concepts can become nonsensical when put together :

> The Deep South was established by English slave lords from Barbados and was styled as a West Indies-style slave society, Woodard notes. It has a very rigid social structure and fights against government regulation that threatens individual liberty. Alabama, Florida, Mississippi, Texas, Georgia, and South Carolina are all part of the Deep South.

The pro- slavery rigid society that somehow values individual liberty? Would anyone be able to explain how that works?

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It's interesting to see how canned phrases to represent certain concepts can become nonsensical when put together : > The Deep South was established by English slave lords from Barbados and was styled as a West Indies-style slave society, Woodard notes. It has a very rigid social structure and fights against government regulation that threatens individual liberty. Alabama, Florida, Mississippi, Texas, Georgia, and So…

> The pro- slavery rigid society that somehow values individual liberty? Would anyone be able to explain how that works?

It only valued individual liberties for free individuals, like slave owners. Slaves are by definition not free individuals, so the right to individual liberty by definition didn't apply to them.

It's practically tautological if you substitute the word "liberty" with "freedom".

Re: The eleven nations of the United States and their cultures

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It's interesting to see how canned phrases to represent certain concepts can become nonsensical when put together : > The Deep South was established by English slave lords from Barbados and was styled as a West Indies-style slave society, Woodard notes. It has a very rigid social structure and fights against government regulation that threatens individual liberty. Alabama, Florida, Mississippi, Texas, Georgia, and So…

Presumably it valued individual liberty for a very select group of individuals.

Re: The eleven nations of the United States and their cultures

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It's interesting to see how canned phrases to represent certain concepts can become nonsensical when put together : > The Deep South was established by English slave lords from Barbados and was styled as a West Indies-style slave society, Woodard notes. It has a very rigid social structure and fights against government regulation that threatens individual liberty. Alabama, Florida, Mississippi, Texas, Georgia, and So…

Thinking about who has the vote back when the USA became independent, I think of those lords as being close in character and power to dark age European kings, and I mentally map their slaves to feudal serfs.[0]

My cynical reading is that describes an attitude of “if you let someone else tell you what to do that makes you a peasant, so when we do it it’s fine because we do it to peasants, but when other people do something much milder to us that’s evil because it means treating us as peasants.”

Aristocrats have often given me that impression, no matter the era or region.

[0] feudalism had actual slaves, in addition to serfs, but I’m not claiming deep wisdom here — only personal impressions and the metaphors I use to make sense of the world.

Re: The eleven nations of the United States and their cultures

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It's interesting to see how canned phrases to represent certain concepts can become nonsensical when put together : > The Deep South was established by English slave lords from Barbados and was styled as a West Indies-style slave society, Woodard notes. It has a very rigid social structure and fights against government regulation that threatens individual liberty. Alabama, Florida, Mississippi, Texas, Georgia, and So…

> The pro- slavery rigid society that somehow values individual liberty? Would anyone be able to explain how that works? It only valued individual liberties for free individuals, like slave owners. Slaves are by definition not free individuals, so the right to individual liberty by definition didn't apply to them. It's practically tautological if you substitute the word "liberty" with "freedom".

I agree with you, but it's not a tautology. It's saying that free individuals (slave-owners) should have freedom to do stuff they want, e.g. own slaves, without having a government stop them from doing it.

Re: The eleven nations of the United States and their cultures

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It's interesting to see how canned phrases to represent certain concepts can become nonsensical when put together : > The Deep South was established by English slave lords from Barbados and was styled as a West Indies-style slave society, Woodard notes. It has a very rigid social structure and fights against government regulation that threatens individual liberty. Alabama, Florida, Mississippi, Texas, Georgia, and So…

> The pro- slavery rigid society that somehow values individual liberty? Would anyone be able to explain how that works?

Same way as in classical Greece (both Sparta and Athens, etc.) and Rome - slave-holding aristocrats value their own freedom highly, will fight and die for it.

Actually, that led to hatred of monarchy and use of republican forms with class equals. But 'sic semper tyrannis' wasn't a servant's battle cry.

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