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A Week in the Life of a McDonald’s Cashier

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> effectively making _less_ than she would have in, say, 2005 or 2010 I started working in 1998 at 16-years-old. I could make $9.50/hr washing dishes or more as a bus boy on a busy night. Shit's whack. Of course as a suburban kid I had reliable transportation. The constantly rotating cast of dishwashers virtually never had this access.

How? I made $6.25 bagging groceries in 2002

Probably under the table. I made $4/Hr in 1988 as a bus boy, etc. The entire kitchen staff, but one, was paid directly from the cash register at the end of the night.

The couple that owned that restaurant sold it for several $M.

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> effectively making _less_ than she would have in, say, 2005 or 2010 I started working in 1998 at 16-years-old. I could make $9.50/hr washing dishes or more as a bus boy on a busy night. Shit's whack. Of course as a suburban kid I had reliable transportation. The constantly rotating cast of dishwashers virtually never had this access.

How? I made $6.25 bagging groceries in 2002

Busy restaurant next to an amusement park (Hersheypark). They couldn't keep anyone in the job. I didn't even want it because I was "bad at doing my taxes" and could make more as a busser making $5.50/hour plus cash tips. But they worked out a deal where I would bus tables and do just enough dishes to keep things moving, then when it died down I'd clock in as a dishwasher at the higher rate and close down.

Housing in town I guess was relatively expensive (not as much as now). And it wasn't under the table, though I was responsible for claiming tips and they didn't follow child labor laws. Built a studio with that money!

Re: A Week in the Life of a McDonald’s Cashier

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In the U.S. there is one presidential candidate championing a UBI of $1000/mo. It would be paid for by a VAT tax. Typically VAT tax is unpopular because it is regressive. But the UBI more than compensates for the extra tax burden.

Yang's implementation is very regressive. You have the regressive VAT tax, but then you also have the fact that you are cutting government benefits then giving everyone $1000. So the poor just end up net poorer. Example: Now: $12,000 a year + $12,000 in benefits = $24,000 $50,000 a year + $0 in benefits = $50,000 UBI: $12,000 a year + $12,000 in UBI = $24,000 $50,000 a year + $12,000 in UBI = $62,000 The poorer perso…

Many currently receiving benefits might gladly give them up in exchange for $1k/mo, cash in hand, with no risk of losing benefits due to higher income or filling out a form incorrectly.

But even if not, I think there's a case that giving everyone else UBI has ancillary benefits:

- More cash in the hand of your neighbors means more customers, which means more economic activity, which potentially means better employment prospects, in a virtuous cycle [0].

- Strain on existing benefit-granting institutions is greatly reduced, as those who opt for cash exit the system, meaning faster response times and more assistance with forms/approvals/etc.

- The working class tend to be more economically interdependent by necessity; someone who declines UBI still comes ahead from a spouse, relative, grown child, etc. who requires less economic support.

- Yang has spoken at length about the effects of economic anxiety; even someone who declines UBI may experience less anxiety (and therefore greater executive function and capacity for long-term planning), simply from knowing they have a "Plan B" for basic necessities.

In addition to offsetting costs, I think one of the motivations for the "either/or" strategy is political viability with libertarians and moderate Republicans, whose exaggerated fears of "socialism" can be assuaged by the opportunity to shrink bloated federal bureaucracies. (I'm somewhat sympathetic here: the most efficient charity is usually to write a check to the poor [1], and I suspect UBI or negative income tax has greater efficacy than most means-tested federal programs, with possibly the exception of health care.)

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demand-side_economics

[1] https://www.givewell.org/charities/give-directly

Re: A Week in the Life of a McDonald’s Cashier

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I'm not so sure about that. I worked in a takeout place for a few years, and it just made me a lot more cynical. the privileged and the poor seem to enjoy abusing service workers at about the same rate in my experience.

> the privileged and the poor seem to enjoy abusing service workers at about the same rate in my experience. Agreed. When I worked retail and waiting jobs, I got grief from both out-of-touch wealthy people, and bitter poor people (although there were also kind people from both of those categories).

Then you were lucky.

Myself, and I suspect most people, I got grief from everyone.

Poor.

Middle Class.

Wealthy.

Those with accents.

Those without accents.

White.

Black.

Tall.

Short.

You name it. It's brutal if you have to work such jobs for a long time. (Like say, throughout high school and college.) A lot of people out there turn terrible as soon as they interact someone of lower status providing them a service. Even if you never make a mistake, you can't escape it. I remember a girl spilled a drink on the dress of some woman. Apparently the table was already bad, and it turned worse. Manager made me take the table. (Not proud about it, but I was the best doormat he had.) I don't even remember the rest of the night, but I remember that table. Remember every face. They didn't even look like bad people either. That's what was so surprising. Man, that has stayed with me.

So if you only got grief from a few people, then you should thank your lucky stars. You got off easy.

Re: A Week in the Life of a McDonald’s Cashier

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100% agree that something needs to happen. The way we treat less-fortunate people is shameful and undignified. My biggest concern with UBI specifically is that it will be absorbed by landlords and other societal rent-seekers. My personal opinion is that we should democratize workplaces, through unions in the short-term and co-ops in the long term. McDonalds cashiers should have a say in their working conditions beyon…

> The way we treat less-fortunate people is shameful and undignified. i think the crux has always been separating the unfortunate from the lazy. i don't think anyone would have serious a problem with supporting the former if the latter could be sieved.

I honestly don't think this is that important, and I think means-testing or 'laziness'-testing is more effort than it's worth.

There will always be lazy people in society, and we have a lot of evidence that lazy people are a burden no matter how hard we try to make their lives. I'm happier giving people enough to get by unconditionally than having them steal or cheat enough to get by.

Trapping people in poverty means if they decided to not be lazy at some point, it's incredibly hard for them to get out of their situation and it's much more likely for them to fail. Furthermore, poverty only affects poor lazy people. Rich lazy people (those that got lucky or were born into wealth) can live on dividends their whole lives with no 'punishment'.

Lastly, attempts to distinguish lazy people from non-lazy people are easily corrupted by monied interests that don't want to pay as much into society. See the 'welfare queen' narrative that was popular under Reagan.

Re: A Week in the Life of a McDonald’s Cashier

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Before I had a programmer job when i was younger, i completely 100% empathize with her in having those types of thankless jobs and constantly being tired. I can't imagine being trapped in that going forward. I bootstrapped my situation but I had a nice parents, a middle-class upbringing and a decent school to start everything, and a knack for programming... but I know/met so many who do not have this leg up in whatev…

I come from a broken home with one parent neglectful the other with mental illness(my mum is amazing but she had massive issues for over a decade which fortunately have improved), I worked minimum wage jobs for nearly a decade before I got myself out of that trap by something that was a solace and a hobby becoming a career.

I whole heartedly support people who organise to ensure a more equitable split for people like them, I got out the trap but for every me there is a dozen who didn’t, never will.

I was fortunate to be born in the U.K. and for the last 39 years at least have never had to worry about health insurance care, that’s just the final cherry on the shit sundae isn’t it.

She works full time hours but because it’s split over two jobs neither corp provides medical insurance, what an insane inhumane system.

Re: A Week in the Life of a McDonald’s Cashier

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> Good public transport or even bike lanes would massively improve conditions for a lot of people. Bring up public transit or bicycling to people in nearly every non-urban part of the United States and you'll get a million reasons why it won't work. Car culture is so engrained in America that people have convinced themselves there is no alternative. "I'd get sweaty", "Oh but I have to carry...", "Walking to the stop…

A 80 year old man was remarking how Gen Z (and late millennials) aren't even getting their licenses as teens anymore. It's amazing to think that he was the first generation of the ubiquitous automobile in the US and now can't comprehend how the generation before him got around.

> now can't comprehend how the generation before him got around.

The generation before him _didn’t_ get around, relatively speaking. Widespread use of the automobile changed transportation patterns dramatically.

Re: A Week in the Life of a McDonald’s Cashier

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There is no bigger lie than hard work = prosperity. It is literally the exact opposite. Think of the hardest shittiest jobs and they are almost always the least paying. The richer you get the less hard work is, until you're able to reach the pinnacle of doing absolutely nothing but managing your money and taking advantage of discounted cap gains taxes. I grew up rich with every opportunity and never had one of these…

>There is no bigger lie than hard work = prosperity. It is literally the exact opposite. Hard work leads to prosperity. That's not the same as equating prosperity to hard work. Most prosperous people achieved prosperity due to earlier hard work and sacrifice of themselves (or their immediate ancestors.) Clearly, the 'value chain', as you put it, exists as evidenced by the numerous posts on this thread of describing t…

> Hard work leads to prosperity.

Sometimes it does. Other times, it's barely enough to achieve survival.

> Most prosperous people achieved prosperity due to earlier hard work and sacrifice of themselves (or their immediate ancestors.)

Or their distant ancestors. Or due to their -- or their ancestors' -- criminal activities or exploitative behavior or sheer luck.

Re: A Week in the Life of a McDonald’s Cashier

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Unfortunately, this seems to be the norm for a lot of low-level jobs in the United States. You end up giving in because the job market for such jobs is saturated and others will take it for lower wages/off-the-books. When I was 18 (many years ago), I remember having a job that did the same "we need you to stay later" BS. The buses stopped running at 8PM in the suburbs and I had to regularly walk 5-6 miles back home.…

> Using a bicycle was more dangerous than walking; some people would throw things out their window at you or swerve/yell to scare you. The USA really is a strange place.

I bicycled to work for several years. Mostly cars full of shit-head teenagers that do that.

The really strange one was 5 AM on a 4 lane street, no other cars around, and a single car comes up behind me and starts honking, about hitting my rear tire.

Re: A Week in the Life of a McDonald’s Cashier

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I have always done the work of expressing my desired food item. Without a kiosk that desire gets repeated by another person to a computer. With a kiosk that repetition does not happen, the order is directly expressed to the machine. It appears to me there is 50% less labor with a kiosk.

The McDonald’s kiosks require more work than telling a cashier your order, IME. They’re crap.

That’s why I like their app. I usually re-order what I got before, while on the way there.
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