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Why Taxpayers Pay McKinsey $3M a Year for a Recent College Graduate Contractor

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Re: Why Taxpayers Pay McKinsey $3M a Year for a Recent College Graduate Contractor

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I don't remember seeing HN articles about McKinsey before this month or last. Now there are three articles about McKinsey on HN, including one that says that the Houston Astros' sign-stealing exemplifies the decline of a McKinsified America. (Or maybe it's the Astros that are M'd.) How did it become the flavor of the month?

Pete Buttigieg is surging, McKinsey is in the air.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/pete-buttigieg-secret-work-mc...

Re: Why Taxpayers Pay McKinsey $3M a Year for a Recent College Graduate Contractor

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> there's a massive perverse incentive for public servants in charge of awarding contracts to pick the most expensive one. I'm not quite following your logic here, could you elaborate a bit more? There's nothing prohibiting well-funded competitors from similar GSA approval, is there? My understanding is that this method is used to streamline contract awards...being listed on a GSA schedule means you've gotten a stamp…

GSA gets paid a % of the fees charged by the consultant. Therefore, the GSA has an incentive to have a very short list of highly paid consultants. The individual agencies using the scheduled are supposed to pick the low bid, but if GSA has restricted the schedule, well, we all get ripped off.

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Re: Why Taxpayers Pay McKinsey $3M a Year for a Recent College Graduate Contractor

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post #159

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> there's a massive perverse incentive for public servants in charge of awarding contracts to pick the most expensive one. I'm not quite following your logic here, could you elaborate a bit more? There's nothing prohibiting well-funded competitors from similar GSA approval, is there? My understanding is that this method is used to streamline contract awards...being listed on a GSA schedule means you've gotten a stamp…

They pick more expensive because they get a percentage. They get to ghost write their own assignment.

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Re: Why Taxpayers Pay McKinsey $3M a Year for a Recent College Graduate Contractor

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I was a technical project management consultant for a long time. The value that most orgs get from a consultant isn't really in the advice the consultant gives them, it's the political cover to make changes they knew they should make all along, but didn't have the social capital or the focus to make those changes until they had a person in a chair across from them.

If we’re including the other consulting firms, it’s not just that. These companies effectively also function as a contracting platform ie a “AWS” for on demand employees instead of servers

Re: Why Taxpayers Pay McKinsey $3M a Year for a Recent College Graduate Contractor

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post #21

I was a technical project management consultant for a long time. The value that most orgs get from a consultant isn't really in the advice the consultant gives them, it's the political cover to make changes they knew they should make all along, but didn't have the social capital or the focus to make those changes until they had a person in a chair across from them.

This calls for a P2P model of consultancy then: Company A acts provides neutral consultancy to Company B (in a unrelated field) and Company B or C provides neutral consultancy to Company A.

Re: Why Taxpayers Pay McKinsey $3M a Year for a Recent College Graduate Contractor

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Thats because there is 0 additional marginal cost for their salaried consultants' time, too. Like many in the workforce, they are a paid a salary, and it's the same amount whether working 40 hours or 80 hours.

Isn't unpaid overtime illegal?

Not if you're an exempt employee!

Re: Why Taxpayers Pay McKinsey $3M a Year for a Recent College Graduate Contractor

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post #162

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thats because there is 0 additional marginal cost for their salaried consultants' time, too. Like many in the workforce, they are a paid a salary, and it's the same amount whether working 40 hours or 80 hours.

Isn't unpaid overtime illegal?

Not if the position is overtime exempt.

Re: Why Taxpayers Pay McKinsey $3M a Year for a Recent College Graduate Contractor

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This ! In france, its a classic move by big companies to have mbb formalize what they already know: a need to restructure which unfortunately involves firing people. Its easier to justify restructuring because mbb said so than because the company says so for some reason ^^

Companies trust capital expenses more than operational expenses for some strange reason. I don't know why.

Are consultants’ fees generally accounted for as capital expenditure? Seems more operational to me.

Re: Why Taxpayers Pay McKinsey $3M a Year for a Recent College Graduate Contractor

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post #152
post #123

I don't remember seeing HN articles about McKinsey before this month or last. Now there are three articles about McKinsey on HN, including one that says that the Houston Astros' sign-stealing exemplifies the decline of a McKinsified America. (Or maybe it's the Astros that are M'd.) How did it become the flavor of the month?

McKinsey comes up because they are an elitist consulting firm and HN is somewhat of an elitist forum. I am using elitist in a good way, although there’s certainly elitist attitudes on here. As someone who might join a Big 4 in IT consulting soon it’s nice to see what McKinsey is up to. It’s much nicer to see accountability for one’s actions.

> I am using elitist in a good way, although there’s certainly elitist attitudes on here.

Wait, that last time you said elitist, did you also mean it as a good thing?

Re: Why Taxpayers Pay McKinsey $3M a Year for a Recent College Graduate Contractor

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post #159

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This entirely misses the forest for the trees. And granted the author's bias gets in the way of his attempt to point out that forest. Their bias aligns with mine, but with less editorialization IMO the following would be more clear: It's not that the work is or isn't valuable, or where that value is. It's that McKinsey charges 72% more than a competitor for the same consulting, and that there's a massive perverse inc…

> there's a massive perverse incentive for public servants in charge of awarding contracts to pick the most expensive one. I'm not quite following your logic here, could you elaborate a bit more? There's nothing prohibiting well-funded competitors from similar GSA approval, is there? My understanding is that this method is used to streamline contract awards...being listed on a GSA schedule means you've gotten a stamp…

Everyone replying answered this, I'd just like to point out that the answer to 'could you elaborate a bit more' is to read the parent article.

Another excerpt:

> In 2013, the GSA Inspector General traced a similar situation with different contractors. Managers at GSA overruled line contracting officers to raise prices taxpayer pay for contractors Carahsoft, Deloitte and Oracle. Government managers at GSA micro-managed and harassed their subordinates and damaged the careers of contracting officers trying to negotiate fair prices for the taxpayer.

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