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Why Taxpayers Pay McKinsey $3M a Year for a Recent College Graduate Contractor

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As another comment here mentioned: outsourcing of decision making (consulting) is endemic to bureaucracies, whether that's in government, education or elsewhere.

Has research been done on the amount of money saved/wasted on these consulting firms? Have any economists tried to evaluate whether or not these consulting firms provide any value at all beyond political cover for bureaucrats afraid to make or incapable of making decisions?

From my brief experience working in a large University's bureaucracy and seeing how consulting firms took advantage of the school, I believe the public is being swindled by companies like McKinsey and others. If private corporations want to spend money on consulting firms without any tangible benefits, fine. But taxpayer money should not be wasted on these corporate vultures.

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There's a lot to unpack here, but the general gist is that McKinsey is overpaid for mediocre services. It's hard to argue against that, and McK in particular does have some insanely unjustifiable rates, but I do think the author has a bit of a misunderstanding of why consultancies are hired in the first place. To be clear, when a consultancy like McK puts a 23 year old analyst on a project, the $50k/week bill isn't j…

It seems like people do really well for themselves after they leave McKinsey, do you think this is mostly a function of the cache having McKinsey on your resume brings? What skills are really developed as a management consultant?

McKinsey data scientist (basically a consultant who codes). Can answer this after following some colleagues who have left and seen many technical teams at clients for my general role.

Most data scientists... don't know what to do. And most clients... don't know what to do with them. So they do little data science projects and build dashboards that few people use. Coming out of McKinsey you can quite confidently say you've learned how to identify top problems, organize a project around it, and solve it in a fast timeline with realistic solutions. That's pretty much gold. It's really useful to be able to say you've worked with c-suite leaders.

Finally, it's probably a function of just fast growth internally. You gain responsibilities much faster at McKinsey than at most most companies. The company invests in your development more. And when you leave, you get weeks of paid time off to search for a new opportunity.

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Former McKinseyite here (and one reasonably skeptical of the firm as a whole)... nobody hires McKinsey for fresh college grads. That’s just something they tell fresh top of class Ivy League college grads to make them feel important. Clients hire Directors to give them peer level strategic counsel. How they technically allocate payment for time across consultants is just backfillling to get to a number already agreed…

I'm trying to parse the phrase "peer level strategic counsel".

Does it mean advice as good as the advice we're giving other firms like you?

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This ! In france, its a classic move by big companies to have mbb formalize what they already know: a need to restructure which unfortunately involves firing people. Its easier to justify restructuring because mbb said so than because the company says so for some reason ^^

> Its easier to justify restructuring because mbb said so than because the company says so for some reason Is it a legal thing? European regulation tends to be quite aggressive when people get laid off, so I imagine that an external assessment helps give some cover for that.

No it's a people thing. People want a scape goat and McKinsey delivers those by the billable hour. Especially in near government institutions.

Firing is somewhat more expensive, but if you want to close a location it is just an X million more not anything really complicated. Bigger chance the employees will be organized and fight in court, but in reality if management wants you out you will be.

The consultants are for the people who stay. You fire some group A, then you fire your consultations then group remain feels "Safe" again, when the bad consultants are gone.

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Well, it's not just that. Basically they need a bunch of people who are really good at ingesting a ton of data, analyzing it, and summarizing it. Turns out those are exactly the same skills involved in writing academic papers, which gets you good grades. So these people really are statistically disproportionately the people in Ivy League schools and similar who also got high GPA's in those schools. So there's some re…

Not really. To get into an Ivy League school you only need to perform well in high school and have the right connections and/or guidance to build the perfect resume. With college grade inflation and the fear of blowback from failing well-connected ivy students, the only guarantee you get from hiring an average Ivy League student is that you have someone who can write high school essays well. The typical undergrad gra…

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I was a technical project management consultant for a long time. The value that most orgs get from a consultant isn't really in the advice the consultant gives them, it's the political cover to make changes they knew they should make all along, but didn't have the social capital or the focus to make those changes until they had a person in a chair across from them.

This entirely misses the forest for the trees. And granted the author's bias gets in the way of his attempt to point out that forest. Their bias aligns with mine, but with less editorialization IMO the following would be more clear:

It's not that the work is or isn't valuable, or where that value is. It's that McKinsey charges 72% more than a competitor for the same consulting, and that there's a massive perverse incentive for public servants in charge of awarding contracts to pick the most expensive one.

From the article, bias left in:

Back in August, I noted that McKinsey’s competitor, the Boston Consulting Group, charges the government $33,063.75/week for the time of a recent college grad to work as a contractor. Not to be outdone, McKinsey’s pricing is much much higher, with one McKinsey “business analyst” - someone with an undergraduate degree and no experience - lent to the government priced out at $56,707/week, or $2,948,764/year.

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And this gets to the second reason why McKinsey can charge so much, which has to do less with McKinsey and more with an incentive to overpay more generally. It’s more likely something called the ‘Industrial Funding Fee,’ or IFF. The GSA’s Federal Acquisition Service gets a cut of whatever certain contractors spend using the GSA’s schedule, and this cut is the IFF. The IFF is priced at .75% of the total amount of a government contract. In the case of McKinsey, since 2006, “FAS has realized $7.2 million in Industrial Funding Fee revenue.”

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Does McKinsey do a good job? The answer is that it’s probably no better or worse than anyone else. I’m sure there are times when McKinsey is quite helpful, but it’s in all probability vastly overpriced for what it is, which is basically a group of smart people who know how to use powerpoint presentations and speak in soothing tones. You can just go through news clippings and find areas McKinsey did cookie cutter nonsense. For instance, McKinsey helped ruin an IT implementation for intelligence services. In the immigration story, MacDougall shows that the consulting firm encouraged ICE to give less food and medical care to detainees. That’s cruelty, not efficiency.

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It's exactly this. Within any organization, you can have 3 or 6 important people pushing in completely different strategic directions. And it can be clear to any unbiased observer that there's only one good, responsible choice, but within your org that gets met with essentially "but that's just your opinion , man". So you call in a consulting firm and they deliver what most of the people already know. The consultants…

>Also, this lets the CEO appear unbiased to all the people who "lost". So they can get on board with the new policy but not feel like the CEO shot them down personally, which is bad for morale, can lead them to quit, etc. The flip side is that it is also bad for morale for someone to be recommending a solution for some time, the recommendation is ignored, a consultant is hired, the consultant recommends the same solu…

Wouldn't one enjoy some benefits from being proven right?

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post #95

Former McKinseyite here (and one reasonably skeptical of the firm as a whole)... nobody hires McKinsey for fresh college grads. That’s just something they tell fresh top of class Ivy League college grads to make them feel important. Clients hire Directors to give them peer level strategic counsel. How they technically allocate payment for time across consultants is just backfillling to get to a number already agreed…

By the way, this is not to denigrate the analysts at McKinsey who were in my time typically very smart, nice, hardworking, etc... They performed an important data gathering function. But the bill for their time has the sort of relationship you get when a Legal Assistant at Cravath photocopies stuff in your file. No they aren’t “worth” $500k/hour or whatever rate they bill at these days to photocopy but that isn’t the…

McKinsey does flat fees. The flat fees are driven by a rate card estimate, but there's no marginal cost to an extra hour... fwiw

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This is why consultants hire Ivy League graduates. To create a myth of "Ivy League" "quality" justifying the decisions they are hired to recommend. The other thing management consultants do is industrial espionage -- they go into a company to learn how it work, and then advise other companies on how "industry leaders" operate.

Well, it's not just that. Basically they need a bunch of people who are really good at ingesting a ton of data, analyzing it, and summarizing it. Turns out those are exactly the same skills involved in writing academic papers, which gets you good grades. So these people really are statistically disproportionately the people in Ivy League schools and similar who also got high GPA's in those schools. So there's some re…

> Obviously you can still be awesome at that and not have gone to an Ivy League school, that goes without saying.

One can also graduate from an Ivy and definitely not have these skills.

Although one might think that these folks are not consultants at McKinsey, I humbly suggest that this is incorrect — there are plenty of folks who McKinsey brings in for their social capital and/or social skills. Certain athletes and certain folks who know how to socialize with a given class of clients are just as valuable as the grinders, perhaps more so since the “face” of the organization leads to sales and client retention.

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There's a lot to unpack here, but the general gist is that McKinsey is overpaid for mediocre services. It's hard to argue against that, and McK in particular does have some insanely unjustifiable rates, but I do think the author has a bit of a misunderstanding of why consultancies are hired in the first place. To be clear, when a consultancy like McK puts a 23 year old analyst on a project, the $50k/week bill isn't j…

Current McKinsey. Former 23 year old.

I would take a different perspective. The issue is not 23 year olds being better than others. It's the fact that the 23 year old from McKinsey comes in with incredible political capital equivalent to whoever hired him at the top, and that enables him to be multiple times more productive than someone else. Most organizations are... slow.

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