What's the native development framework for Librem 5 apps? I see they support web apps, but what do they use for native apps?
The phone runs GNOME, so GTK+
Librem 5 USA
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#62A fair warning to anyone looking at placing an order for this. https://jaylittle.com/post/view/2019/10/the-sad-saga-of-puri... https://jaylittle.com/post/view/2019/10/the-sad-saga-of-puri... https://jaylittle.com/post/view/2019/10/the-sad-saga-of-puri... The company practices a lot of shady business. Their "phone" that they are so proudly claiming to be releasing to backers cannot place phone calls , the camera doesn…
They have been upfront about that from what I can tell. They are only shipping phones to those who are either working on making it work, or those who have indicated willingness to accept the flaws to be first. There is every reason to believe it will work.
There are things to not like about the company, but releasing like this is not one.
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The PinePhone will likely be preferable to most LineageOS phones, since it will run a closer-to-mainline kernel. It's also expected to be available for a "fraction of the cost" compared to the Librem.
> The PinePhone will likely be preferable to most LineageOS phones IMO an android app runtme would be essential for any of these efforts to be comparable to Lineage. Anybody working on that?
Anbox is a compatibility later that runs Android apps on other Linux distributions. It's not stable yet, but there has been some interest in adding Anbox to mobile Linux distributions like UBports and LuneOS.
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#64digression: christ, what font are they using? the undersized letter 't' in that text hurts my head just looking at it, barely making the text readable. i couldn't even finish a post and get the gist from the comments here. comment: doesn't it reflect poorly on librem to even offer this option? for a hw company whose sole market shtick is to offer hw/sw privacy they're now implying that the majority of their hw can be…
It's Libre Baskerville: https://www.fontsquirrel.com/fonts/libre-baskerville I find Baskerville pretty readable. Is it the same font you're seeing on the page? I wonder if something caused your browser to show a fallback instead. I think it reflects that all phones made in China have the potential to be compromised by malicious actors. That risk shouldn't be in most people's threat model, and if you're comparing the…
Looks odd on Brave on Windows https://i.imgur.com/rikvSNw.png
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#65Earlier quoted context omitted.
The PinePhone will likely be preferable to most LineageOS phones, since it will run a closer-to-mainline kernel. It's also expected to be available for a "fraction of the cost" compared to the Librem.
> The PinePhone will likely be preferable to most LineageOS phones IMO an android app runtme would be essential for any of these efforts to be comparable to Lineage. Anybody working on that?
Yes, but they are not working hard. Even if they had the runtime, they won't have apps because google won't give the access to the play store, so what is the point of the runtime?
I've seen 3 projects working on the runtime (in 3 different ways with different pros/cons).
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As opposed to China?
China's MSS can't indiscriminately shoot my dog and throw a flash-bang into my child's crib, but the FBI can. I'd rather gamble with the evil oppressive government that doesn't have jurisdiction here, than the evil oppressive government that does.
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#67What's the native development framework for Librem 5 apps? I see they support web apps, but what do they use for native apps?
It's a computer running GNU Linux. You install GNU Linux apps on it.
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Why is it essentially impossible? Compared to the rest of the phone that seems like a relatively small thing.
Because no such baseband module exists.
Is that one module more complicated than the entire rest of the phone that the Purism team has already put together?
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#69Wow, this version is $1,999, and if you've pre-ordered you can upgrade to the US-produced model for an extra $1,300. Does this pricing accurately reflect the increased cost of producing everything but the chassis in the US?
There are probably several factors at play here. First, not all of the parts are necessarily produced in the USA - the PCBA is produced there, and the parts are assembled there, but the parts themselves are likely procured elsewhere. Even still, this greatly complicates the kind of supply chain attack this is meant to prevent, because you have to compromise individual components that you hope will end up in the devic…
I think the real target is - or should be - CIA, and NSA. People who have security needs that China will never agree to. The hardware switches help play into their needs: shut the chips off in situations where they are a concern.
Pursim should have a standing offer: we will make your phone on a day scheduled well in advance and allow your auditors in the factory to watch over the process. At an extra cost of course, but I think this is something they could offer easily enough and it would be very helpful to those most paranoid about security.
Dealing with government contracts isn't easy though.
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The problem is no matter what custom flavor of Android you run, you are still running an OS made by an ad company designed from the ground up to spy on you. And crucially, every time you buy an Android phone and flash another OS on it, you just paid for an Android phone, reinforcing the monopoly and generating profit for companies pushing the Android platform. The correct solution is to refuse to buy a phone that shi…
> The problem is no matter what custom flavor of Android you run, you are still running an OS made by an ad company designed from the ground up to spy on you. LineageOS and GrapheneOS are based on AOSP, which is an open source project not really "made by an ad company". I agree with your latter point about supporting their hardware and typically buy used phones/computer for that same reason.
AOSP is not an open source project, despite the name. It is an export of the parts of the proprietary Android project which Google sees fit to release to the general public. Android is developed in secret and then the AOSP version is exported out of it. As such, AOSP is definitely still very much "made by an ad company".