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Launch HN: Buy Me a Coffee (YC W19) – Give your audience a way to thank you

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Re: Launch HN: Buy Me a Coffee (YC W19) – Give your audience a way to thank you

#171

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> Do not attempt to decompile or modify engineer any software included on Buy Me A Coffee site. This is also a bit dated policy. I've reported bugs on Patreon before that involved looking at the source code and modifing it, but it did not cross my mind that they'd reserve the right to ban users for doing so. I think this is a case of copying TOS sections from other places which are not a good fit for this service. Th…

We do have a bug bounty and encourage bug reports from our users ( https://twitter.com/PJijin/status/1186904518341955584 ). The policy mentioned above is to avoid any damages to the creator(s) on the platform. Thanks for the feedback!

I also want to push back on this.

You have a policy that guarantees every single security researcher that inspects your platform will be in violation of your TOS. But you're telling us on an Internet forum that you won't use that policy unless someone does something completely awful. That's asking us to put a lot of trust into you -- trust that you're not willing to reciprocate back to us.

People shouldn't need to break your TOS to report a bug to you, and they shouldn't need to rely on purely your goodwill to protect themselves. Security disclosure is already a really scary process, researchers need explicit guarantees that they won't be prosecuted or sued. If a company tells me that I should just trust them that they won't sue me or ruin my life over a bug report, I stop going through their official disclosure channels, because it's no longer worth the risk. Policies like this are a really good way to get security bugs reported as anonymous Pastebins in the press instead of to your official channels.

I would also note that outside of security research, this bans people from building tools around your site -- browser extensions that automate common tasks or alternate clients that call into unsupported or private APIs. I think that's a really regressive restriction for something as fundamental as a payment platform to have.

Again, maybe your actual policy will be not to go after people who build useful tools -- but in that case, why start out with a TOS that encourages an unhealthy power dynamic, that means you could shut down someone who interops with your service for any reason?

The point of a TOS is to create clarity -- it's an agreement so that both users and platform owners know what's expected of each other. I don't expect a TOS to enumerate literally everything that might happen, but I instinctively recoil away from a TOS that includes onerous restrictions that I'm told to just ignore. A rule that everyone is expected to break is really just a blanket license to selectively punish anyone on your platform for any reason. Why should I as a user trust you with that kind of power?

In regards to protecting creators and avoiding creator damages -- hacking is already a federal crime. What's something that this policy protects you against that couldn't be handled by the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act?

Re: Launch HN: Buy Me a Coffee (YC W19) – Give your audience a way to thank you

#172

Creators are already getting nickel and dimed. One of my big things when I was managing musicians (really my friends whose work I loved) was I continually refused to step into the that thick miasma of profiteering others in the industry practiced. Many musicians, for example, make less than 50 percent on distribution deals with their labels. I'm leading with this because 5 percent on top of CC payment processors' 30…

> I'm leading with this because 5 percent on top of CC payment processors' 30 cents + 2.whatever% is completely unethical from where I'm standing. You can integrate Fosspay [1] with fewer bells and whistles but totally free except for CC processors' cut (exorbitant as that in itself may be).

In what way does the existence of BuyMeACoffee stop anyone from using your solution? There's a reason someone does choose BuyMeACoffee instead of Fosspay. What you suggest is removing options for the creator, in what way is that good for them?

> You will need a number of things set up before you start:

> 1. An approved Stripe account

> 2. A mail server

> 3. A domain name and an SSL certificate

> 4. A web server to host fosspay on

Are you going to give theses creators the mail server, the domain name and the web server for free? Are you going to offer the maintenance of theses servers for free too? Let say they find a managed server for 10$ per month (which would be amazing), they would need to make more than 200$ a month in donation for it to be equivalent to 5%.

> It isn't worth whatever valuation we're fetching and it doesn't justify making us rich while creators gratefully accept their pittance.

Then they shouldn't take the offer... BuyMeACoffee doesn't own the market, they doesn't seems to have any monopoly tendencies, Fosspay will keep existing while BuyMyACoffee is there.

Why don't you start offering a platform for free to artist? Maybe do it for 2.5% instead, there not that many artist that can make 400$ of donation a month! If you believe that the valuation of 5% is that outrageous, it's because you believe the same can be done for much cheaper, than do it for much cheaper and offer it!

Re: Launch HN: Buy Me a Coffee (YC W19) – Give your audience a way to thank you

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it's literally the same idea

I bet Google's founders are glad they didn't consult you first when they were creating a search engine.

we'd all be better off if Google didn't exist, and you know it

Re: Launch HN: Buy Me a Coffee (YC W19) – Give your audience a way to thank you

#175
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Yes, you need a PayPal or Stripe account to start receiving payments. The main benefits are the community and publishing features. You can share rewards or exclusive content with your supporters. Also, a significant portion of the activity that we see is driven by gratitude. People love supporting a creator and leaving a positive note.

When I started using buy me a coffee(6 months ago?), the payment portal was Payoneer. Is my payment portal still valid or I need to migrate to Paypal/Stripe?

It is still valid, but we'd recommend connecting PayPal or Stripe for all these new features like instant payouts :)

Re: Launch HN: Buy Me a Coffee (YC W19) – Give your audience a way to thank you

#176

You really need to optimize tge landing page for mobile clients. Im using a powerful android phone and it struggles to load. Just shows a blank page. You should also remove the letter by letter animation on the headline. I don't have time to read all of nouns you have listed. Just cycle through whole words using a faster tick speed. And better yet, turn this landing page into a static one without any JS. Conversion n…

We do! Sorry for the bad experience. It's a fairly new design implementation and we have a lot of work to do to optimize the homepage.

Fixed!

Re: Launch HN: Buy Me a Coffee (YC W19) – Give your audience a way to thank you

#177

Congratulations on your announcement, I’ve been following you and Buy Me A Coffee for a while. If I remember correctly, you got accepted to YC with a different idea — some sort of podcast app. Can you explain why you decided to pivot back to Buy Me A Coffee?

Agreed. This is a little weird. I wonder if they got YC's "OK" to use the Launch HN tag with (YC W19) for a product that was not actually within the batch. It's a little deceiving.

We are the same company/team, and our goal is to help creators get paid for their work. With Brew, we focused on audio creators. Everything we built so far revolved around this vision :)

I don't want to speak for YC, but the partners want you to iterate and succeed. Many of the successful YC companies (Reddit, Brex) got accepted for a completely different idea.

Re: Launch HN: Buy Me a Coffee (YC W19) – Give your audience a way to thank you

#178

Congratulations on your announcement, I’ve been following you and Buy Me A Coffee for a while. If I remember correctly, you got accepted to YC with a different idea — some sort of podcast app. Can you explain why you decided to pivot back to Buy Me A Coffee?

Thank you!

Our insight after getting into the audio space was that podcasters are relatively happy with monetization. This is obviously not a popular opinion, but that's what we saw first hand. Ad rates are pretty good, and unlike other content types, listeners enjoy host-read ads. Meanwhile, Buy Me A Coffee started getting a decent amount of traction even among podcasters, so we wanted to go all in and build it out :)

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