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It’s crunch time for Getty Images, and for photographers

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Re: It’s crunch time for Getty Images, and for photographers

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The (human) models and photographers will be in real trouble when generative models are able to make an ad on the fly with a fake person who looks like your neighbor with the best landscaping using the advertised lawnmower.

Um, last I checked, AI models of humans looked super, super creepy. Not the sort of content you would want on a marketing campaign, that's for sure.

When the AI worked it worked well but when it failed the failure was obvious and creepy.

Re: It’s crunch time for Getty Images, and for photographers

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Getty is the epitome of the evil corporation. They threatened a number of my customers (who all won against Getty via lawyers) for putting photos on their sites with dubious ownership rights. I have experience with copyright law (unpleasantly) and there is a process required by the law to actually win a settlement on copyright infringement, and Getty uses thug tactics and threats to get small parties to pay up. Their…

Yeah, looks like the majority of their revenue is literally based on entrapment:

> Just over half of Getty’s revenues, according to industry estimates, come from distributing “stock” photos — images of generic subjects, such as “house” or “orange juice” or “corporate executive,” that a commercial client might use in brochures, websites or advertisements.

Re: It’s crunch time for Getty Images, and for photographers

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There is a startup yet to be founded to sell inexpensive, high-quality original photos for exclusive use. Unique photos, i.e. photos not considered "duplicate content", are critical if you want to rank organically on Google [0] Getty will eventually be disrupted. [0] https://www.rebootonline.com/blog/long-term-duplicate-image-...

Nope. In the US we continue to let the flailing zombies buy up thier competitors. Everybody loses in the end.

Re: It’s crunch time for Getty Images, and for photographers

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There are a ton of two-sided marketplaces out there that try to do this. It's a messy challenge involving rights management (no good photographer will agree to the contracts these companies offer), production workflows (all companies do it differently) and assignment complexities (by 'high-quality' you mean 'high-quality and custom to the project' because a nice but generic picture is mostly useless). But you're righ…

1. Let photographers license their photos from a list of standard licenses 2. Let photographers set their own prices 3. Let buyers search by budget and by license 4. Startup charges a X% platform fee The market will take care of the rest.

This. It's high time to regulate rent seeking.

Re: It’s crunch time for Getty Images, and for photographers

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The (human) models and photographers will be in real trouble when generative models are able to make an ad on the fly with a fake person who looks like your neighbor with the best landscaping using the advertised lawnmower.

Um, last I checked, AI models of humans looked super, super creepy. Not the sort of content you would want on a marketing campaign, that's for sure.

Some looked creepy, others looked average, others looked practically real. You can still retouch them a little using Photoshop and you have something that is 99.9% real. Good enough for a campaign.

Re: It’s crunch time for Getty Images, and for photographers

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There is a startup yet to be founded to sell inexpensive, high-quality original photos for exclusive use. Unique photos, i.e. photos not considered "duplicate content", are critical if you want to rank organically on Google [0] Getty will eventually be disrupted. [0] https://www.rebootonline.com/blog/long-term-duplicate-image-...

A long time ago I was Chief Data Scientist at 500px following the acquisition of a company I cofounded and this was exactly what I was advocating for. Professional photographers are cash poor, but with the right interface and contracts we could have done it. I wasn't able to get the CEO to see things my way and other problems with the company led to my departure, but I still think this is a viable business. The key h…

I've sold photos on and off for 20 years (on a direct basis, companies contact me via my portfolio), and I've generally gone for a rough "$5 per employee that the company has" rate. A 10 person startup wants one of my photos? I'm happy to give it to them for $50. 200 person company with a marketing employee calling me? $1000 sounds about right. Microsoft wants exclusive use of a photo? $700k will do just nicely thanks ;)

You can't always accurately assess this of course, so it's mostly done by gut feel after learning a bit about the company, but it's done me well so far and I've never had a company turn down my price, nor have I ever felt like I've been taken advantage of.

Re: It’s crunch time for Getty Images, and for photographers

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Surprised there was no mention of the upcoming threat of AI stock photos, and how easy it will be to generate massive amounts of these fast and cheap. Ne real people, who won't have to sign contracts or be paid. https://www.theverge.com/2019/9/20/20875362/100000-fake-ai-p...

Lately I've been imagining what it would take to create an AI-generated food image. It's super hard! Just the rights management issue of the training set is a tough question. Then you have to account for quality, direction and dimensionality of light, food styling, props, custom products or ingredients, the list of challenges goes on an on. Then after the image is produced, if you're a food company, all your imagery…

> Lately I've been imagining what it would take to create an AI-generated food image. It's super hard!

I can’t wait for a chef to throw their arms up because they get tasked to create an AI-generated non-existant food tray that performed well in Amazon Turk focus groups.

Re: It’s crunch time for Getty Images, and for photographers

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The (human) models and photographers will be in real trouble when generative models are able to make an ad on the fly with a fake person who looks like your neighbor with the best landscaping using the advertised lawnmower.

Um, last I checked, AI models of humans looked super, super creepy. Not the sort of content you would want on a marketing campaign, that's for sure.

It's time to check again. The latest ones are indistinguishable from real humans, at least to my eye. Somehow the uncanny valley has been crossed already.

Re: It’s crunch time for Getty Images, and for photographers

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Does this give significantly better results than just Google and TinEye? They often fail me.

I believe Yandex has the best reverse image search engine on the web today, Google's image results have considerably deteriorated in the past few years. Though if you're looking to compare stock photo prices, the engines of stock photo sites can also reliably find images.

Nice, thanks for that. Have definitely noticed Google Reverse Image Search oddly regressing but I'll try out Yandex.
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