Live data from Hacker News

United orders 50 new Airbus long-range jets to replace Boeing 757s

reuters.com

151–160 of 301 posts

Re: United orders 50 new Airbus long-range jets to replace Boeing 757s

#151
post #104
post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Brüssels Please stop that. Brussels is the English name for the city and clearly that letter does not exist in English. Alternatives are "Brussel" (Dutch) and "Bruxelles" (French). The closest to what you wrote is the German "Brüssel" (no S).

Br[ü|u][x][s]sel[le]s?

Most elements of that power set are not valid.

Re: United orders 50 new Airbus long-range jets to replace Boeing 757s

#152

It will be interesting how Boeing/Airbus/traditional carriers react when China fully enters the market with Comac-built/branded planes. Commercial flights of its first plane, the C919 are slated for 2021. The whole 737 MAX fiasco really came at a bad time for the US aerospace industry, and if the other comments about Airbus being just as bad culture-wise are true (profits/jobs over serious engineering), then China co…

A Chinese airliner? I’d feel safer on a 737 Max flown by a powered parachute pilot.

Re: United orders 50 new Airbus long-range jets to replace Boeing 757s

#153

It will be interesting how Boeing/Airbus/traditional carriers react when China fully enters the market with Comac-built/branded planes. Commercial flights of its first plane, the C919 are slated for 2021. The whole 737 MAX fiasco really came at a bad time for the US aerospace industry, and if the other comments about Airbus being just as bad culture-wise are true (profits/jobs over serious engineering), then China co…

A Chinese airliner? I’d feel safer on a 737 Max flown by a powered parachute pilot.

Why? Are they unsafe?

Re: United orders 50 new Airbus long-range jets to replace Boeing 757s

#154
post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why would Airbus be different?

Because Europe has not legalized corruption to the same degree as the US. Massive campaign contributions is not as common in Europe, hence large European multi-nationals likely don't have the same opportunity to change regulations to serve them. Of course they can still influence politicians by talking about all the jobs they will provide etc. Also power in Europe is not centralized the same way as it is in the US. I…

> Because Europe has not legalized corruption to the same degree as the US.

https://www.spiegel.de/international/business/suspicions-of-...

Re: United orders 50 new Airbus long-range jets to replace Boeing 757s

#155

It will be interesting how Boeing/Airbus/traditional carriers react when China fully enters the market with Comac-built/branded planes. Commercial flights of its first plane, the C919 are slated for 2021. The whole 737 MAX fiasco really came at a bad time for the US aerospace industry, and if the other comments about Airbus being just as bad culture-wise are true (profits/jobs over serious engineering), then China co…

It will be blocked from purchase in the U.S. https://www.wired.com/story/us-china-cybertheft-su-bin/

But the rest of the world (larger than the US) might just want a cheap deal with companies from business friendly countries?

Re: United orders 50 new Airbus long-range jets to replace Boeing 757s

#156

It will be interesting how Boeing/Airbus/traditional carriers react when China fully enters the market with Comac-built/branded planes. Commercial flights of its first plane, the C919 are slated for 2021. The whole 737 MAX fiasco really came at a bad time for the US aerospace industry, and if the other comments about Airbus being just as bad culture-wise are true (profits/jobs over serious engineering), then China co…

Does that plane actually fly? The stealth fighter jet they revealed years ago (made from various manufacturer's stolen plans) was nowhere near flying

Re: United orders 50 new Airbus long-range jets to replace Boeing 757s

#157
post #147
post #125

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This has very little to do with that. McDonnel Douglass had no equivalent to the 757 really either. (The MD-11 was a suitable replacement for the 767, if you wanted a 3-hole aircraft) I'm absolutely certain that if Boeing was making a 757NG like aircraft, United would have bought those. When it comes down to it, Boeing has no direct replacement for the 757. Airbus does, so United bought airbus.

But I feel the consolidation, and the overweight in the result of military purchases, led to Boeing permitting such a hole in their commercial lineup.

I dont think thats really rational either.

Look at the sales figured for the 757 - sales were either flat or very slow from 2001 onward.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_757#Orders_and_deliveri...

Boeing stopped making the plane because the situations that led to its existence evaporated, and it looked as if there would never be more demand again, and the world seemed to be trending to 737 size aircraft in ever increasing numbers.

Re: United orders 50 new Airbus long-range jets to replace Boeing 757s

#158

Looking at the bigger picture - I wonder if we are at 'peak' air travel - because: 1. Improved video conferencing quality and availability 2. potential future green initiatives - like adding tax to air fuel or frequent flyer taxes. Sure people will still want to travel, but might do less.

>Airlines receive only about 60% of their revenue from passengers directly (the other 40% comes from selling frequent-flier miles to credit card companies). But of that 60% of passenger consumer revenue, the big money comes from business travelers – as opposed to those flying for leisure or personal reasons – in percentages that far outweigh their numbers. Business travelers account for 12% percent of airlines' passengers, but they are typically twice as profitable. In fact, on some flights, business passengers represent 75% of an airline's profits.

https://www.investopedia.com/ask/answers/041315/how-much-rev...

I think that video conferencing and collaboration technologies have already curtailed business travel, the most profitable part of the airline business.

The high volume in terms of passenger numbers is dominated by leisure travel. Video conferencing is unlikely to affect this (although the family did a Hangout at Thanksgiving), but it might be affected by stronger environmental campaigns or by a significant economic downturn. In fact, I think an economic downturn could cause a fairly steep drop in leisure air travel.

Re: United orders 50 new Airbus long-range jets to replace Boeing 757s

#159
post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>The USG is already putting tariffs on foreign planes. How so? They can't put tariffs on foreign planes purchased by foreign airlines, and most of the airlines in the world are not American.

They are putting tariffs on foreign planes purchased by airlines in America. It's mentioned in the last paragraph of the linked article.

Airbus gets EU subsidies that works as an effective tariff against Boeing.

Re: United orders 50 new Airbus long-range jets to replace Boeing 757s

#160

It will be interesting how Boeing/Airbus/traditional carriers react when China fully enters the market with Comac-built/branded planes. Commercial flights of its first plane, the C919 are slated for 2021. The whole 737 MAX fiasco really came at a bad time for the US aerospace industry, and if the other comments about Airbus being just as bad culture-wise are true (profits/jobs over serious engineering), then China co…

What happens in that case is simple and obvious: the existing global trade barriers and protectionism will get worse. The US will move to lock Airbus and China out of its massive, wildly profitable domestic airline market through protectionism. Which is exactly what China is guaranteed to do, either directly or indirectly, as it pushes its own airplane manufacturing efforts to the forefront in the pursuit of its econ…

"Which is exactly what China is guaranteed to do"

China already de-facto does this in almost every market, so there's nothing new here, really.

It'd be nice to have WTO rules actually followed, but I don't think it will be this way.

Post reply on HN