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United orders 50 new Airbus long-range jets to replace Boeing 757s

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Re: United orders 50 new Airbus long-range jets to replace Boeing 757s

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It can be difficult/impossible to get to the bathroom during portions of the meal/drink service in a single aisle aircraft.

That's probably the least of their concerns when they design a plane though.

I wouldn't be so sure, passenger comfort was a big selling point of the 787 and the A380.

Re: United orders 50 new Airbus long-range jets to replace Boeing 757s

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America is going to pay for the cronyism that merged every airplane manufacturer into one and eliminated internal competition. If you don't have internal competition, you'll collapse in the face of external competition. There is no way to get away from Boeing without getting away from the American aerospace industry entirely, a problem that didn't exist back when McDonnell Douglas was around.

I mean, one option is to break up Boeing (and Airbus). They’re far too vertically integrated.

They're far too horizontally integrated. Reducing vertical integration is part of their quality problem resulting from adopting black-box management, see:

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/ABPub/2011/02/04/2014130646...

Re: United orders 50 new Airbus long-range jets to replace Boeing 757s

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America is going to pay for the cronyism that merged every airplane manufacturer into one and eliminated internal competition. If you don't have internal competition, you'll collapse in the face of external competition. There is no way to get away from Boeing without getting away from the American aerospace industry entirely, a problem that didn't exist back when McDonnell Douglas was around.

Why would Airbus be different?

Airbus isn't focused on profit (cutting corners), it's focused on politics (i.e. providing jobs in different countries). Hopefully that would make (local) engineers more powerful...

Re: United orders 50 new Airbus long-range jets to replace Boeing 757s

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America is going to pay for the cronyism that merged every airplane manufacturer into one and eliminated internal competition. If you don't have internal competition, you'll collapse in the face of external competition. There is no way to get away from Boeing without getting away from the American aerospace industry entirely, a problem that didn't exist back when McDonnell Douglas was around.

I mean, one option is to break up Boeing (and Airbus). They’re far too vertically integrated.

> They’re far too vertically integrated.

In what sense? I work with a lot of Aerospace, Transportion and Logistics companies and I've personally seen tens of hundreds of companies that are suppliers for Boeing/Airbus. What do you think GE, United Technologies, Rolls Royce Aerospace, etc. all do?

Re: United orders 50 new Airbus long-range jets to replace Boeing 757s

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> United’s 757 planes will reach the end of their lifespan in about a decade About a decade?! I was on one of their 757s returning to Dublin a while ago; it felt like they were already pushing the end of its lifespan. I suppose the repair of the interior doesn’t say much about the airframe...

You can install new interiors at any time, it's just not worth it for old planes with a limited future (because they're gas guzzlers).

Planes can essentially fly indefinitely if you're willing to put money into ongoing maintenance. For instance some B-52s will have served for roughly 100 years by the time they are retired.

Re: United orders 50 new Airbus long-range jets to replace Boeing 757s

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why would Airbus be different?

Airbus isn't focused on profit (cutting corners), it's focused on politics (i.e. providing jobs in different countries). Hopefully that would make (local) engineers more powerful...

Aerospace has the same level of politics when it comes to jobs in the USA.

Re: United orders 50 new Airbus long-range jets to replace Boeing 757s

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My takeaway is that Airbus and Boeing both need to make progress on their clean-sheet midsize designs. The A321XLR sounds great but it's kinda what Boeing has been doing to the 737, milking it for decades. The A320 is a newer design, for sure, but it's not young. I won't miss the 737. What I'd love to see is a twin-aisle-but-small short range aircraft. Yeah, that won't happen, but it would be comfy.

That's in the pipeline, but Airbus (and probably Boeing at this rate) are waiting for the next step up in engine technology before they make that investment so as to get the maximum step-up in fuel efficiency, and that is due in the 2025-2030 timeframe.

Re: United orders 50 new Airbus long-range jets to replace Boeing 757s

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America is going to pay for the cronyism that merged every airplane manufacturer into one and eliminated internal competition. If you don't have internal competition, you'll collapse in the face of external competition. There is no way to get away from Boeing without getting away from the American aerospace industry entirely, a problem that didn't exist back when McDonnell Douglas was around.

I mean, one option is to break up Boeing (and Airbus). They’re far too vertically integrated.

Breaking up Airbus seems diplomatically implausible. The US doesn't really have the authority to, and the EU doesn't have any reason to want to.

Re: United orders 50 new Airbus long-range jets to replace Boeing 757s

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What is keeping Boeing's share price so stable in the wake of such catastrophic news for the company this year?

I'm sure Boeing would have loved to have those orders, but 50 planes is not catastrophic. In terms of the aircraft group, Boeing has steadily growing 787 orders and deliveries, with about 500 orders yet to deliver. In terms of their space program, they are close to testing their manned capsule and just got a light touch program review, while SpaceX got put through the ringer. And there are other aspects to Boeing tha…

> just got a light touch program review, while SpaceX got put through the ringer.

Is this a reference to the Organizational Safety Assessments NASA announced in response to Elon Musk smoking pot on a livestream online?

I don't think that's a program review - more of a "are spacex employees smoking pot at work review."

If not, could you link to some info on the reviews you are referencing?

Re: United orders 50 new Airbus long-range jets to replace Boeing 757s

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I have been thinking about how to implement that after the MAX starts flying again. Flight search interfaces don’t seem to filter on equipment. And of course, equipment gets changed at times, so you may book one aircraft and have a different one swapped in on the ramp. I wonder if after you have checked in, and the airline swaps in a MAX, if you can get credit for your ticket if you refuse to board a MAX? I would gue…

Seems like you could either target routes that don't fly 737s at all, just much bigger or much smaller planes. Or you could stick to carriers that don't own any 737 MAX 8's such as Amtrak and SNCF.

Delta Air Lines, Spirit, JetBlue, Allegiant... you’re not stuck to just rail.
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