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United orders 50 new Airbus long-range jets to replace Boeing 757s

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Re: United orders 50 new Airbus long-range jets to replace Boeing 757s

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What is keeping Boeing's share price so stable in the wake of such catastrophic news for the company this year?

The fact that these news are not catastrophic, but rather wishful politically-motivated thinking. Boeing is here to stay, until maybe a viable competitor in China springs up.

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#22

> United’s 757 planes will reach the end of their lifespan in about a decade About a decade?! I was on one of their 757s returning to Dublin a while ago; it felt like they were already pushing the end of its lifespan. I suppose the repair of the interior doesn’t say much about the airframe...

Airplane lifespans are determined by pressurization/depressurization cycles (i.e. number of flight trips), not distance flown or interior wear and tear.

Re: United orders 50 new Airbus long-range jets to replace Boeing 757s

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What is keeping Boeing's share price so stable in the wake of such catastrophic news for the company this year?

I think partly it’s the nature of the business. Even if every airline wants to drop the 737 and order all A32xes from now on, they can’t; Airbus simply doesn’t have the pipeline. Boeing will sell either a patched up MAX or a less ambition re-engine (a MEDIUM?) Probably for less money, but it’ll sell; the airlines really have very little choice.

Re: United orders 50 new Airbus long-range jets to replace Boeing 757s

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Military contracts

That and the implicit guarantee from the government that Boeing is too big to fail.

The USG is already putting tariffs on foreign planes. We have all the downsides of nationalization without any of the benefits of collective ownership (except for the fact that Boeing is in people's retirement accounts, which is a little collective ownership). Capitalism and socialism on their own both have provisions for taking care of the elite and taking care of the average person. What we have now with these pseudonational industries is a combination of both that takes the elite-benefiting parts of capitalism and combines them with the elite-benefiting parts of socialism.

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Mostly, this proves that the 737 MAX isn't a valid alternative to the 757. This goes against Boeing's official stance. The A321 (and the 757) is a lot more flexible, can carry more cargo, and has better performance.

It is not that. It is that regardless if the plane is "fixed" or not, many frequent travelers will refuse to fly on a 737 MAX from now on. Last year I took 73 flights. At least three of those were on a MAX. I profusely refuse to get on one of those, regardless if they are fixed or not.

I flew about the same, fortunately never on a MAX. That being said I'm in the same boat, you couldn't pay me enough money to take a ride on a plane that the pilot literally cannot fly without the MCAS system functioning perfectly.

Maybe I'm just blissfully ignorant to how bad all the planes in the air are... but I feel like pilots would be screaming bloody murder if they were all as bad as the MAX.

Re: United orders 50 new Airbus long-range jets to replace Boeing 757s

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America is going to pay for the cronyism that merged every airplane manufacturer into one and eliminated internal competition. If you don't have internal competition, you'll collapse in the face of external competition. There is no way to get away from Boeing without getting away from the American aerospace industry entirely, a problem that didn't exist back when McDonnell Douglas was around.

I mean, one option is to break up Boeing (and Airbus). They’re far too vertically integrated.

Vertical integration means fewer middlemen driving up the margin on each part.

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America is going to pay for the cronyism that merged every airplane manufacturer into one and eliminated internal competition. If you don't have internal competition, you'll collapse in the face of external competition. There is no way to get away from Boeing without getting away from the American aerospace industry entirely, a problem that didn't exist back when McDonnell Douglas was around.

Why would Airbus be different?

It's not, and it could easily have gone the other way. By not having any competition or diversification, countries expose themselves to tremendous risk: the balance of the aerospace industry rested on a coin flip and the US bet tails. Without the cronyism, we could have had many separate raffle tickets against Europe's one.

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My takeaway is that Airbus and Boeing both need to make progress on their clean-sheet midsize designs. The A321XLR sounds great but it's kinda what Boeing has been doing to the 737, milking it for decades. The A320 is a newer design, for sure, but it's not young. I won't miss the 737. What I'd love to see is a twin-aisle-but-small short range aircraft. Yeah, that won't happen, but it would be comfy.

Basically a 767-200

Re: United orders 50 new Airbus long-range jets to replace Boeing 757s

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I mean, one option is to break up Boeing (and Airbus). They’re far too vertically integrated.

Vertical integration means fewer middlemen driving up the margin on each part.

Efficient market theory would suggest that there is no margin in equilibrium, and what looks like margin is actually the cost of capital (which all companies, big and small, have to pay).

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> United’s 757 planes will reach the end of their lifespan in about a decade About a decade?! I was on one of their 757s returning to Dublin a while ago; it felt like they were already pushing the end of its lifespan. I suppose the repair of the interior doesn’t say much about the airframe...

Airplane lifespans are determined by pressurization/depressurization cycles (i.e. number of flight trips), not distance flown or interior wear and tear.

Yep, I mean I know it’s nothing to do with the interior. But this didn’t seem like a plane that was being taken care of; it felt like one they intended to scrap the next week, so there was no point putting the work in any more. I was honestly kind of shocked; hadn’t been on a plane like it since Ryanair modernised their fleet.
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