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Re: Sundar will be the CEO of both Google and Alphabet

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Post by jhabdas »

kyrra wrote: post #361
hanse00 wrote: post #330

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's there on paper, but is is really still there?

I am a Googler, opinions on my own. The problem with the phrase is that it is very relative depending on your meaning of evil. It's a shifting over time and varies by person. At the same time it provides a good guiding principle for Google as a whole. You need to think about users in different parts of the world with different ideas of what is good and evil, and try to cater to all of them. It's a really hard problem…

I saw a 4 to 5 year-old child watching the psychological equivalent of a snuff film on YouTube while his mother was working the kitchen at a warung in Ubud. "Don't be evil" means if you knew this sort of thing could happen you should've done absolutely everything you could to prevent it, or simply resigned your post at the company.

Evil to most people is obvious. But where money is concerned few "Googler" could do the right thing even if they wanted out of fear of biting the hand that feeds six-figure salaries in exchange for obstinate servitude.

Re: Sundar will be the CEO of both Google and Alphabet

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Post by goosehonk »

Sohcahtoa82 wrote: post #439
greesil wrote: post #425

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Isn't the more appropriate response to respond to the comment rather than downvote it? It doesn't seem to be a personal attack, or some other violation of the community guidelines.

I'm not a moderator, but IMO, it was absolutely a violation of community guidelines. It was incredibly snarky, flamebaity, and was obviously written to start a political battle. The fact that it got flagged shows I'm definitely not alone in this thinking.

I'm just giving you the straight dope on a few aspects of the organizational disaster that is google. The fact that you think it's incredible etc just shows what a basket case this company is.

Re: Sundar will be the CEO of both Google and Alphabet

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Post by greesil »

Sohcahtoa82 wrote: post #439
greesil wrote: post #425

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Isn't the more appropriate response to respond to the comment rather than downvote it? It doesn't seem to be a personal attack, or some other violation of the community guidelines.

I'm not a moderator, but IMO, it was absolutely a violation of community guidelines. It was incredibly snarky, flamebaity, and was obviously written to start a political battle. The fact that it got flagged shows I'm definitely not alone in this thinking.

I suppose it did push some readers' buttons, thus ipso facto is flamebait whether or not that was the intent. I did not find it snarky (hyperbole is not snark), and it seemed to me its intent was to explain the situation as the author saw it. Of course, now that it's flagged I can't even re read it to check if my initial impression was off.

Re: Sundar will be the CEO of both Google and Alphabet

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Post by kendallpark »

chrischen wrote: post #435
Ragib_Zaman wrote: post #422

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And their core goal of truly autonomous vehicles is a technical challenge that at this point seems like it will take at least several years more than what they originally thought 3 years ago. Their situation is not similar to FB in 2008 at all.

Even if they overcome this the bigger question is whether the market opportunity is worth the R&D costs, and whether or not bulky self driving vehicles are the best and most lucrative solution to mass transit.

Speaking of market opportunity, are there SDVs being tested in outside of California and Arizona? The rest of the US gets its fair share of rain, snow, and ice. Even if the Bay Area can manage self-driving cars, when would we expect a rollout in places like Minneapolis or Boston?

Re: Sundar will be the CEO of both Google and Alphabet

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Post by hyperdo »

suyash wrote: post #189
Wonnk13 wrote: post #39

This has to be a green light for TK to take Cloud and really run with it. There's no way Sundar can give as much attention to Google and all the other bets simultaneously. Curious what side projects of Larry and Sergey get turned down now.

However neither TK nor Sundar are of Satya Nadella's caliber. Let's see how things turn out in few years with this change at Google.

Super curious why you think this -- what about Satya Nadella makes him so much "better" than Kurian or Pichai?

Re: Sundar will be the CEO of both Google and Alphabet

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Post by fjrufjfjfu »

Mikeb85 wrote: post #431
endorphone wrote: post #390

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In a way this seems like an admission of the failure of the "Alphabet" thing. The idea behind that originally was that all of these other projects were going to become so significant that it wouldn't make sense to have them or their management coupled with Google. But a half-decade later, it's still 99.9% Google, so just double-up the Google guy to lead both tiers. Same as it ever was.

It's not an admission of failure. Two businessmen created one of the most successful, influencial businesses ever and are passing the torch. They're rich AF and probably want to retire.

I don't know man. Doesn't that sound a little bit suspicious? If you were to create Google why would you just peace out? Look at Bill Gates. He still wants to do things but the google founders are all MIA. How do guys like that just lose all ambition and disappear?

Re: Sundar will be the CEO of both Google and Alphabet

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Post by hdhgzwhegh »

endorphone wrote: post #390
footpath wrote: post #84

https://abc.xyz/investor/news/releases/2019/1203/ Slightly more organized info in the intro bullets. Larry Page and Sergey Brin, the CEO and President, respectively, of Alphabet, have decided to leave these roles. They will continue their involvement as co-founders, shareholders and members of Alphabet’s Board of Directors.

In a way this seems like an admission of the failure of the "Alphabet" thing. The idea behind that originally was that all of these other projects were going to become so significant that it wouldn't make sense to have them or their management coupled with Google. But a half-decade later, it's still 99.9% Google, so just double-up the Google guy to lead both tiers. Same as it ever was.

Alphabet was always mostly just a shell game for manipulating headlines about failing or political projects away from Google.

Re: Sundar will be the CEO of both Google and Alphabet

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Post by kelnos »

fjrufjfjfu wrote: post #447
Mikeb85 wrote: post #431

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not an admission of failure. Two businessmen created one of the most successful, influencial businesses ever and are passing the torch. They're rich AF and probably want to retire.

I don't know man. Doesn't that sound a little bit suspicious? If you were to create Google why would you just peace out? Look at Bill Gates. He still wants to do things but the google founders are all MIA. How do guys like that just lose all ambition and disappear?

If I had created Google I would have peaced out looooong ago.

Sure, I wouldn't disappear completely, but I'd work on low-stress things where I have a lot of free time and don't have so much responsibility under me.

Re: Sundar will be the CEO of both Google and Alphabet

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Post by Stratoscope »

greesil wrote: post #443
Sohcahtoa82 wrote: post #439

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not a moderator, but IMO, it was absolutely a violation of community guidelines. It was incredibly snarky, flamebaity, and was obviously written to start a political battle. The fact that it got flagged shows I'm definitely not alone in this thinking.

I suppose it did push some readers' buttons, thus ipso facto is flamebait whether or not that was the intent. I did not find it snarky (hyperbole is not snark), and it seemed to me its intent was to explain the situation as the author saw it. Of course, now that it's flagged I can't even re read it to check if my initial impression was off.

You can read flagged/dead comments by turning on "showdead" on your profile/settings page.
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