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Re: Questions About .org

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Could Firefox's DoH promote OpenNIC somehow?

Better yet, setup something like the following:

- Answer queries for .org. By default, forward queries to the legacy (pillaged) registry.

- Allow administrators of domain in .org to "opt in" to being managed by Mozilla by placing special DNS records or the like.

- "Opting in" is no charge from Mozilla if the Mozilla-registry nameservers are setup to match the legacy registry

- At any time, a domain owner can stop renewing at the legacy registry. If the domain has been opted in to the Mozilla registry, its owner can pay Mozilla instead to continue their registration with Mozilla (and other onboard organizations/resolvers)

- If the user stops paying the Mozilla registry, it removes the opt-in and the ownership is up for grabs back at the legacy registry.

The idea being that .org sites, especially the ones we've all come to rely on as infrastructure, could register with Mozilla to claim ownership of their names outside of just the pillaged registry. Then if the looters raise fees too high they can individually make the decision to cast off the legacy registry after pointing their communities at the new resolvers, with no disruption to services.

Re: Questions About .org

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Could Firefox's DoH promote OpenNIC somehow?

Better yet, setup something like the following: - Answer queries for .org. By default, forward queries to the legacy (pillaged) registry. - Allow administrators of domain in .org to "opt in" to being managed by Mozilla by placing special DNS records or the like. - "Opting in" is no charge from Mozilla if the Mozilla-registry nameservers are setup to match the legacy registry - At any time, a domain owner can stop ren…

> - Allow administrators of domain in .org to "opt in" to being managed by Mozilla by placing special DNS records or the like.

Wouldn't this effectively be a hostile takeover of .org by Mozilla? This seems like it could set a dangerous precedent.

E.g., what if Google decides later that some other registries are also untrustworthy and offers management on Chrome?

Re: Questions About .org

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post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Better yet, setup something like the following: - Answer queries for .org. By default, forward queries to the legacy (pillaged) registry. - Allow administrators of domain in .org to "opt in" to being managed by Mozilla by placing special DNS records or the like. - "Opting in" is no charge from Mozilla if the Mozilla-registry nameservers are setup to match the legacy registry - At any time, a domain owner can stop ren…

> - Allow administrators of domain in .org to "opt in" to being managed by Mozilla by placing special DNS records or the like. Wouldn't this effectively be a hostile takeover of .org by Mozilla? This seems like it could set a dangerous precedent. E.g., what if Google decides later that some other registries are also untrustworthy and offers management on Chrome?

Yes. This is a terrible idea and would result in the bankruptcy of Mozilla from the inevitable lawsuits. The registry owner would sue them and they’d also doubtless face a class action from the registrants themselves.

Re: Questions About .org

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I personally think a 10% annual price increase on .org domains is outrageous, considering the current price of a .org domain is $10. I know it's not a lot of money to an organisation, but it's a huge chuck of cash to the company that is getting paid across the millions of .org sites out there. It'll be interesting to see what they do with this windfall.

re: https://www.keypointsabout.org

Re: Questions About .org

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I personally think a 10% annual price increase on .org domains is outrageous, considering the current price of a .org domain is $10. I know it's not a lot of money to an organisation, but it's a huge chuck of cash to the company that is getting paid across the millions of .org sites out there. It'll be interesting to see what they do with this windfall. re: https://www.keypointsabout.org

It’s because people don’t see the 10% as a lot. They go: $10 to $11 is nothing without realizing that it compounds. Try it yourself: pow(1.1 [110%], 7.27) ≈ 2. Every eight years, the price will have more than doubled.

Ok, $10 to $20 isn’t a lot. But what about 3 decades down the line? That’s now $174. You maybe could afford the $10 (maybe even $40), but could you afford to pay that every year?

Re: Questions About .org

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post #6
post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> - Allow administrators of domain in .org to "opt in" to being managed by Mozilla by placing special DNS records or the like. Wouldn't this effectively be a hostile takeover of .org by Mozilla? This seems like it could set a dangerous precedent. E.g., what if Google decides later that some other registries are also untrustworthy and offers management on Chrome?

Yes. This is a terrible idea and would result in the bankruptcy of Mozilla from the inevitable lawsuits. The registry owner would sue them and they’d also doubtless face a class action from the registrants themselves.

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Re: Questions About .org

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post #6
post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> - Allow administrators of domain in .org to "opt in" to being managed by Mozilla by placing special DNS records or the like. Wouldn't this effectively be a hostile takeover of .org by Mozilla? This seems like it could set a dangerous precedent. E.g., what if Google decides later that some other registries are also untrustworthy and offers management on Chrome?

Yes. This is a terrible idea and would result in the bankruptcy of Mozilla from the inevitable lawsuits. The registry owner would sue them and they’d also doubtless face a class action from the registrants themselves.

They would have absolutely no grounds to sue. At all. There are already lying DNS servers, they haven't seen any legal threat for this exact reason. Tons of organizations also redirect DNS for their network.
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