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Re: Sundar will be the CEO of both Google and Alphabet

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Post by hanse00 »

johannes1234321 wrote: post #206
Frost1x wrote: post #186

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I'm not sure how long these sort of antitrust cases take to litigate (I was young during Microsoft's high profile case), but I'd say this is one of the most rational explanations as to why, seemingly out of nowhere, they'd parachute away together. It looks like an attempt to try to distance themselves, their personal images, and their assets before it gets too ugly. I would certainly do so unless my personal financia…

Out of nowhere? - They created Alphabet to pull themselves out of daily Google business.

Yeah. As anyone at Google could tell you, they've been a familiar face at TGIF, and nothing more, for years.

At least at the operational level. I'm sure Sundar has had much contact with them. But regular Googlers certainly have not.

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Post by hanse00 »

kcanini wrote: post #318
seppel wrote: post #277

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The funny thing is: If you are used to coporate speech, then immediately after you read the headline "A letter from Larry and Sergey" you know that there is a resignation coming up.

"An update on Larry and Sergey"

No no no, Larry and Sergey are simply pivoting.

Re: Sundar will be the CEO of both Google and Alphabet

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Post by FactolSarin »

kyrra wrote: post #324
gerdesj wrote: post #247

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"Weirdly this feels like a non-issue" It is. That page is awful with a hood that keeps flapping around up and down and text that is trying to be true to italics for quotes instead of lots of diacritics and ends up looking badly diseased. Then the letter sidesteps into a memo, which is equally odd and awkward. It's all a bit odd. S and B (in my very opinionated ... opinion) did create a great thing in Google. I can't…

About "don't be evil": It's still very much in there. From: https://abc.xyz/investor/other/google-code-of-conduct/ > And remember… don’t be evil, and if you see something that you think isn’t right – speak up! The problem was that it was moved from near the top to being near the bottom (though it's own paragraph). Sadly there were lots of very inaccurate headlines like this: > Google Removes 'Don't Be Evil' Clause Fr…

Oh, and if you try to organize people speaking up, you'll be fired.

Re: Sundar will be the CEO of both Google and Alphabet

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Post by wsy »

p1esk wrote: post #235
Someone1234 wrote: post #204

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This has nothing to do with the post you replied to. Plus this retort essentially boils down to "Google pays well and other companies are even worse so quit complaining!" Restating the compensation argument multiple different ways, and the cutting edge argument multiple times doesn't really address the actual underlying complaints being made (Google's partnership with distasteful foreign governments and other corpora…

Ok, let's talk about specific issues that cause complaints. Google is a for-profit company, and it answers to shareholders who want to make money. Why would Google not engage in those practices you deem immoral if that's what the shareholders want? I use Google products daily. So for me the question is - does Google need to engage in "partnership with distasteful foreign governments and other corporate immoralities",…

I would hope that every single person - including shareholders, managers, and employees - holds our fundamental values like peace, freedom, or justice higher than their desire to maximise profits.

The top question is not: will it hurt the company. The top question is: will it hurt humanity.

We liked Google because their founders did the right thing for a long time, and fended off profit-maximizing shareholders.

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Post by Tsagadai »

jackbravo wrote: post #269
hangonhn wrote: post #181

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So Gates is not alone. Buffet and Ellison have both pledged the vast majority of their wealth to the Gates Foundation. Somewhat unique to the US, our billionaires tends to be fairly philanthropic.

Larry Ellison? From Oracle? I though he did the opposite.

Nah, those are charity superyachts. They help poor people by showing them how good it is to be rich.

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Post by summerlight »

KaoruAoiShiho wrote: post #315
bb88 wrote: post #196

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I'm not sure that Sundar has been a good CEO. The constant shutdown of google services that people rely on has been troubling. The management troubles over employees lately has been troubling as well. They still own the search market, but would you worry about the lifespan of the google products you're thinking of buying? I still have a Sony Google TV, it works great as a TV but the android OS is no longer supported,…

Isn't the constant shutdown a google thing before Sundar? I doubt it's an imposition from him.

Yes, Google has a chaotic culture of project incubation, which leads to over-promotion of product launches and their eventual deprecation. And this predates Sundar's tenure on CEO. I think Sundar is trying to reduce a frequency of product launches, but there's already a crazy number of product in flight or development so deprecation of certain products are inevitable IMO.

Re: Sundar will be the CEO of both Google and Alphabet

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Post by blisterpeanuts »

summerlight wrote: post #161

There are some ongoing theory-crafting in this thread, but the real reason seems pretty simple; Larry and Sergey obviously don't want to deal with all the management and operational stuffs, but only "moonshots" like autonomous vehicles or quantum computing. Yeah, this was the whole purpose of establishing a holding company, but Alphabet has grown by 2 times (both in employee count and revenue) and probably they're no…

Sundar made a mistake in wading into politics after the 2016 elections. A good business leader knows to stay out of the forbidden topics of politics and religion; unite the troops, don't divide them. I don't think he realized how much impact his words would have on conservatives once the TGIF video got out. Anyway let's hope they learned something about remaining neutral in public, as the company "grows up".

Re: Sundar will be the CEO of both Google and Alphabet

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Post by hanse00 »

planetzero wrote: post #194
MikeTheGreat wrote: post #129

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After having read [that Quiet book]( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quiet:_The_Power_of_Introverts... ) I think it's fascinating that "high profile, exuberant" are conflated with "innovation-driven leadership". To be clear - I'm not criticizing this particular post or person (whoisjuan, anyways? :) ), but I think it's worth noting these little hints that outgoing and extroverted are thought to be synonymous with "good…

"I think it's worth noting these little hints that outgoing and extroverted are thought to be synonymous with "good leadership" (in the US, at least)" I don't think it's synonymous, but it's required. To be a good leader, you need to enjoy being around and understanding people. Most introverted people don't really enjoy either. I've had many introverted managers and they all were horrible: lack of communication which…

Leadership is a skill to learn, just like programming, writing, or most other things really.

People who are introverts at heart can learn to become just as good managers as those who aren't. It may come less naturally, I couldn't say, but it's definitely possible.

Re: Sundar will be the CEO of both Google and Alphabet

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Post by [deleted] »

ixtli wrote: post #22

> Nonetheless, Google’s core service—providing unbiased, accurate, and free access to information—remains at the heart of the company. How is it ok to just say clear lies like this?! Without making any value judgements at all this is blatantly false. The ranking algorithms specifically encode a bias into search results. This is actually explicitly what users want, too! To be clear this is distressing to me because ve…

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