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How Facebook Avoids Ad Blockers

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Re: How Facebook Avoids Ad Blockers

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Post by root_axis »

JulianMorrison wrote: post #150
1propionyl wrote: post #53

I'm surprised I haven't seen a single comment say what ought to be the obvious: the easiest way to never see Facebook ads is to just not use Facebook. I should hope I'm preaching to the choir, I'm sure, but... quitting really isn't as hard as you tell yourself it is. It's not as essential as you think it is.

Things I pragmatically need Facebook (including Messenger) for: - My martial arts classes post updates there - So does the community garden I help out at - Keeping up with family news, and directly talking to family - Keeping up with what's happening to my friends in the USA or other far flung places - Access to topical news that matches my political beliefs rather than being heavily centrist-biased and ignoring all…

That reads to me like "I like the Facebook service and so I use it". Of course if you want to use Facebook then quitting Facebook isn't practical.

Re: How Facebook Avoids Ad Blockers

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Post by root_axis »

aembleton wrote: post #116
johnsea wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Threema. You pay a certain modest sum and get a service. A terribly old-fashioned business model it seems... (but works for me).

Are all of your friends on it? I don't know anyone running it so it wouldn't work for me. Everyone I know is either on Messenger or Whatsapp. One friend is on Telegram, but he's also on Whatsapp.

Your friends also definitely have an email and a phone number since those are required to use Facebook.

Re: How Facebook Avoids Ad Blockers

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Post by JulianMorrison »

root_axis wrote: post #231
JulianMorrison wrote: post #150

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Things I pragmatically need Facebook (including Messenger) for: - My martial arts classes post updates there - So does the community garden I help out at - Keeping up with family news, and directly talking to family - Keeping up with what's happening to my friends in the USA or other far flung places - Access to topical news that matches my political beliefs rather than being heavily centrist-biased and ignoring all…

That reads to me like "I like the Facebook service and so I use it". Of course if you want to use Facebook then quitting Facebook isn't practical.

I'd like it better with less evil.

Re: How Facebook Avoids Ad Blockers

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Post by root_axis »

JulianMorrison wrote: post #233
root_axis wrote: post #231

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That reads to me like "I like the Facebook service and so I use it". Of course if you want to use Facebook then quitting Facebook isn't practical.

I'd like it better with less evil.

That's a universal platitude that could be applied to any profit-seeking company. At the end of the day you either regard Facebook as so abhorrent that you will refuse to use their services or not, but you definitely don't need to use them.

Re: How Facebook Avoids Ad Blockers

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Re: How Facebook Avoids Ad Blockers

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Post by JulianMorrison »

root_axis wrote: post #234
JulianMorrison wrote: post #233

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'd like it better with less evil.

That's a universal platitude that could be applied to any profit-seeking company. At the end of the day you either regard Facebook as so abhorrent that you will refuse to use their services or not, but you definitely don't need to use them.

And that's lazy deference to an inevitability that isn't inevitable. It's a cultural choice, to tolerate evil of that sort.

Re: How Facebook Avoids Ad Blockers

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Post by root_axis »

JulianMorrison wrote: post #236
root_axis wrote: post #234

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's a universal platitude that could be applied to any profit-seeking company. At the end of the day you either regard Facebook as so abhorrent that you will refuse to use their services or not, but you definitely don't need to use them.

And that's lazy deference to an inevitability that isn't inevitable. It's a cultural choice, to tolerate evil of that sort.

I have made no defense. IMO, bargaining on the axis of moral flexibility to maintain the convenience of using a service you regard as evil is explicit "toleration" of said evil.

Re: How Facebook Avoids Ad Blockers

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Post by thatswrong0 »

JakeAl wrote: post #149
thatswrong0 wrote: post #25

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I mean one look at the website kind of tells you why. The extension could be a lot less intrusive as well - just compare it to uBlock Origin for example. There doesn't need to be an onboarding message. I don't need to see "F.B. Purity hid:" prominently in the middle of my feed - just put that at the bottom right of the screen in gray text or in the extension. Etc. I'm probably going to uninstall it because it makes F…

It doesn't do that for me. Must be your settings.

Literally just installed it and used the defaults. "Must be your settings" means the default settings suck.

Re: How Facebook Avoids Ad Blockers

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Post by Yhippa »

crakenzak wrote: post #2

Interesting article. I don't blame Facebook for doing whatever they can to properly show ads tho, they provide a "free" service and in exchange serve ads. It's not free to support a company their size and its expected they do everything they can to monetize the site properly. What do you guys think?

I think they should provide an option to perhaps pay them directly to opt-out of ads. If you choose not to pay but still use their service for free then they must do what they must to monetize.

Re: How Facebook Avoids Ad Blockers

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Post by lonelappde »

jokoon wrote: post #162
gorgoiler wrote: post #108

Relatedly, uBlock Origin’s picker has really improved my quality of life on Facebook. I love Facebook, it’s my only remaining connection to some people, and it’s revived many friendships I thought I’d lost. However, as one gets on in life, People You May Know can be extremely emotionally impactful. It is a little part of the web UI that brings back the dead, ex partners I still miss, exes who have moved on, and toxic…

> I love Facebook Interesting, what do you think about the backlash against facebook? I guess there could be arguments in favor of facebook, after all.

With a billion users, it's obvious that people find Facebook valuable.
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