Sundar will be the CEO of both Google and Alphabet • Hacker News Board

Re: Sundar will be the CEO of both Google and Alphabet

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Post by m0zg » Tue, Dec 03, 2019, 10:59 PM UTC

smt88 wrote: post #163

beaned wrote: post #99

One thing I really like about Larry Page is that it's obvious he never really wanted to be a manager. He's a real nerd at heart who likes technology. But he also realized the value of what he created and acted as a good steward for 20 years. He took the reigns when he needed to, and let others take over when the time was right. He's still one of the people I look up to most.

> He took the reigns when he needed to I strongly disagree. Alphabet is an unfocused company which seems to treat product releases as experiments that can be killed at any time without warning. There's a culture that incentivizes more experiments rather than better products. The aimlessness is obvious in the frequent and baffling product renaming, reorganizations (like Nest joining Google), duplicated/overlapping pro…

One of the first initiatives Larry undertook when he became a CEO is to "put more wood behind fewer arrows" by canceling a ton of bullshit projects that _haven't_ yet been released to the public, and some that have, as well. So if you're going to blame Larry for anything, this is not it.

Re: Sundar will be the CEO of both Google and Alphabet

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Post by ohazi » Tue, Dec 03, 2019, 11:00 PM UTC

lacker wrote: post #67

nvrspyx wrote: post #25

I see a few comments praising Sundar. As someone who doesn’t follow closely, but feels that Google has deteriorated dramatically under his watch, does someone mind explaining the reasoning for said praise?

Google's market cap has approximately doubled while Sundar has been the CEO. That's the simplest reason. Personally I think a lot of their products have gotten better recently, like the experience of using voice-controlled Google Maps in my car, and Google Cloud is superior to AWS in many ways, but the company really offers so many different product lines that it's hard for personal experience to be a great represent…

> Google's market cap has approximately doubled while Sundar has been the CEO.

Microsoft grew similarly under Ballmer, despite losing a lot of their strategic advantages and missing the boat in a handful of important ways.

Re: Sundar will be the CEO of both Google and Alphabet

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Post by dgacmu » Tue, Dec 03, 2019, 11:01 PM UTC

claudeganon wrote: post #190

Seems like “interesting“ timing given that the Alphabet board just recently stated they’re investigating the handling of sexual misconduct by executives: https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/06/technology/google-sexual-... And relatedly: > Charlie Ayers: Sergey’s the Google playboy. He was known for getting his fingers caught in the cookie jar with employees that worked for the company in the masseuse room. He got around.…

It's hard to have the moral authority on that with Sergey still running things: https://www.bizjournals.com/sanjose/news/2017/11/30/google-e...

If your theory is correct, we should see Drummond retire soon as well. I expect it...

Re: Sundar will be the CEO of both Google and Alphabet

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Post by option » Tue, Dec 03, 2019, 11:03 PM UTC

lawrenceyan wrote: post #205

A well deserved congratulations to Sundar's promotion! Larry and Sergey have spent the majority of their time on Other Bets for quite some time now, and it's good to see that this is finally being solidified / recognized within Alphabet's management structure.

Can someone please explain why it is well deserved? For example, when I was at MSFT it was very clear why Satya deserved to be the next CEO - for leading and growing the cloud business from irrelevance to a major pillar of MSFT. What about Sundar? Is this all because he led Chrome?

Re: Sundar will be the CEO of both Google and Alphabet

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Post by Starkus » Tue, Dec 03, 2019, 11:04 PM UTC

I find it amusing that, if you comment on a thread on Hacker News, about Google's censorship, relevant to the posted article that states google is 'unbiased'...you're...censored

Re: Sundar will be the CEO of both Google and Alphabet

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Post by skybrian » Tue, Dec 03, 2019, 11:05 PM UTC

Frost1x wrote: post #186

darksaints wrote: post #171

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Cashing out before the antitrust suits start to hit.

I'm not sure how long these sort of antitrust cases take to litigate (I was young during Microsoft's high profile case), but I'd say this is one of the most rational explanations as to why, seemingly out of nowhere, they'd parachute away together. It looks like an attempt to try to distance themselves, their personal images, and their assets before it gets too ugly. I would certainly do so unless my personal financia…

They've made other major moves together. This is apparently part of a slow fade they've been doing at least since they started Alphabet. The reasons behind that remain mysterious.

Re: Sundar will be the CEO of both Google and Alphabet

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Post by mpalczewski » Tue, Dec 03, 2019, 11:06 PM UTC

darksaints wrote: post #171

im3w1l wrote: post #156

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you know what they will be doing next?

Cashing out before the antitrust suits start to hit.

Those rarely result in lower stock prices.

Re: Sundar will be the CEO of both Google and Alphabet

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Post by coffee12345 » Tue, Dec 03, 2019, 11:07 PM UTC

option wrote: post #214

lawrenceyan wrote: post #205

A well deserved congratulations to Sundar's promotion! Larry and Sergey have spent the majority of their time on Other Bets for quite some time now, and it's good to see that this is finally being solidified / recognized within Alphabet's management structure.

Can someone please explain why it is well deserved? For example, when I was at MSFT it was very clear why Satya deserved to be the next CEO - for leading and growing the cloud business from irrelevance to a major pillar of MSFT. What about Sundar? Is this all because he led Chrome?

he just released stadia, the greatest gaming console of all time

Re: Sundar will be the CEO of both Google and Alphabet

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Post by telotortium » Tue, Dec 03, 2019, 11:09 PM UTC

ocdtrekkie wrote: post #175

Incredible way to paper over the likely source: https://www.cnbc.com/2019/11/06/alphabet-board-investigating... Sergey Brin and Larry Page were terrible to women. They engaged in, promoted, and paid for sexual harassment. Shortly after the Alphabet board is investigating misconduct, Larry and Page are "retiring". And of course, they're still worth billions.

This news story is talking about an investigation of David Drummond. I'm not going to rule out harassment claims against Page and Brin, but do you have a better source?

Re: Sundar will be the CEO of both Google and Alphabet

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Post by lawrenceyan » Tue, Dec 03, 2019, 11:09 PM UTC

option wrote: post #214

lawrenceyan wrote: post #205

A well deserved congratulations to Sundar's promotion! Larry and Sergey have spent the majority of their time on Other Bets for quite some time now, and it's good to see that this is finally being solidified / recognized within Alphabet's management structure.

Can someone please explain why it is well deserved? For example, when I was at MSFT it was very clear why Satya deserved to be the next CEO - for leading and growing the cloud business from irrelevance to a major pillar of MSFT. What about Sundar? Is this all because he led Chrome?

He's been leading Google now as CEO for multiple years.

As I said in my original comment, Larry and Sergey have devoted the majority of their time to Other Bets for a while. Sundar's promotion here is really just recognizing the role he's effectively had for some time at this point.