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The FBI considers FaceApp to be a potential counterintelligence threat [pdf]

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Re: The FBI considers FaceApp to be a potential counterintelligence threat [pdf]

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Is there a public database of images of people with names? Police don’t even have that.

You mean the digital equivalent of a big book full of people's names and faces? That's an exact description of Facebook.

Can Russia buy all facebooks data? How would their intelligence agency get photos and corresponding names from Facebook?

Re: The FBI considers FaceApp to be a potential counterintelligence threat [pdf]

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You mean the digital equivalent of a big book full of people's names and faces? That's an exact description of Facebook.

Can Russia buy all facebooks data? How would their intelligence agency get photos and corresponding names from Facebook?

For almost all people, name and profile picture are set public. It's an incredibly tiny fraction of all the data, which is why I'm amused at all the uproar. There really is very little you can do with that information.

Re: The FBI considers FaceApp to be a potential counterintelligence threat [pdf]

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In Russia at least they could match your photo against your phone number, IMEI, IP address etc. Especially useful for capturing younger users who are more likely to be anti-Putin.

So like every other android app where you login with facebook.

Yeah, except there are no arrests happening in the US based solely on someone being an anti-Trump protester, and Facebook doesn't directly share the user data with anyone.

Inb4 Cambridge Analytica, FB didn't just hand off the data to them, users had to use a special third-party app within FB and explicitly give it permission to access the user data. And those APIs aren't available anymore after the backlash either way.

Re: The FBI considers FaceApp to be a potential counterintelligence threat [pdf]

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I know it's against the rules to tell people to read the article, but I would encourage everyone to read the article. It specifically says this is a potential threat to > "elected officials, candidates, political campaigns, [and] political parties" not to the general public. The potential threat is for someone at Candidate_1's campaign taking selfies with the app, that then uploads them to Russian servers where the R…

It specifically says this is a potential threat to > "elected officials, candidates, political campaigns, [and] political parties But that is NOT what it says at all. I can't emphasise how misleading this summary is! The exact quote is: > If the FBI assesses that elected officials, candidates, political campaigns, political parties are targets of foreign influence operations involving FaceApp [then the the FBI would…

Not at all. There's plenty of people in this thread wondering what "potential" means in "potential threat". This is what that potential means. The FBI has assessed that this app is a potential threat but they haven't found any evidence that Russia's government is actually using it in this way. If the FBI finds out that it's being used as an attack vector, then they will jump in to assist.

Not misleading at all. I don't know why so many people are reading this so wrong, it's not a long letter. The Senate asked the FBI if this app was a threat to US politicians, the FBI said it could be but they don't see it being exploited at this time. If that changes, the FBI will intervene. Pretty simple to understand as long as you read the words that were written.

Re: The FBI considers FaceApp to be a potential counterintelligence threat [pdf]

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Thankfully that doesn't happen anywhere else in the world. Australian government metadata requests was well over 300,000 last year, nearly 1000 requests a day all warrantless, can come from tiny local councils or horse racing orgs. Trust us, they say, there's oversight in hidden tribunals, they say.

Yes all countries do it, but US intelligence doesn't just take into account the action , they take the actor as well. Australia is a friendly nation to the US and shares intelligence data with US intelligence agencies. What we see, they see and what they see, we see. Russia is not a friendly nation to the US and does not share intelligence with US intelligence agencies. The FBI isn't saying "normal people are at risk…

How any US serving member is allowed to use facebook or random apps is beyond me. The entire premise here is absurd. Of course it is a risk, just like the app partially owned by tencent that one of the most popular sites in the world insists you install when browsing on mobile.

Australians legally do metadata and spying better than everyone else on many metrics and then share it with the multiple eyes. Something to remember when the media is whipping up a threat frenzy. Given Australia's treatment of whistleblowers and slow descent into authoritarianism, I very much envy the few protections Americans take for granted.

Re: The FBI considers FaceApp to be a potential counterintelligence threat [pdf]

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It specifically says this is a potential threat to > "elected officials, candidates, political campaigns, [and] political parties But that is NOT what it says at all. I can't emphasise how misleading this summary is! The exact quote is: > If the FBI assesses that elected officials, candidates, political campaigns, political parties are targets of foreign influence operations involving FaceApp [then the the FBI would…

Not at all. There's plenty of people in this thread wondering what "potential" means in "potential threat". This is what that potential means. The FBI has assessed that this app is a potential threat but they haven't found any evidence that Russia's government is actually using it in this way. If the FBI finds out that it's being used as an attack vector, then they will jump in to assist. Not misleading at all. I don…

Your version It specifically says this is a potential threat to "elected officials, candidates, political campaigns, [and] political parties" makes it sound like the FBI said that.

In the letter it speaks separately about FaceApp specifically (~"no known campaigns") and general potential threats (~"anything developed in Russia"). Your summary combines a quote from the "no known campaign" and the "anything developed in Russia" bit to say something they never said.

Specifically the letter says the FBI will investigate any foreign influence operations involving FaceApp aimed at officials.

Your version turns that into a claim that the FBI says FaceApp is only a potential threat to those officials. The letter doesn't say that at all.

Additionally you make up a bunch of stuff around the threat model that you claim the FBI sees. ("The potential threat is for someone at Candidate_1's campaign taking selfies with the app, that then uploads them to Russian servers where the Russian government can see them and can also see what's in the background (sensitive documents?) or see geo-location from the app (like how Strava was leaking the coordinates at military bases [1]) or any number of things a hostile foreign government who has already hacked American elections once and is planning to do it again might want to do with pictures that interns/staffers might think are private.")

Again, this letter doesn't say or imply that. In-fact, the foreign influence operations may imply that the FBI is more concerned about foreign adversaries using the politician's likeness (eg for "Fake News" style videos or something).

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