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Re: Chinese telecoms must use "AI and other technical means" to identify phone users

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Post by whoevercares » Tue, Dec 03, 2019, 6:32 AM UTC

readbeard wrote: post #186

Miner49er wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you look at China's constitution they value the same stuff as the United States. They are a democracy by their values, just like the U.S. Words are meaningless if not backed up by action.

Interesting! As I was completely unfamiliar with China's constitution, I pulled up the Wikipedia article and the source document. Supporting your point, here is a particularly surprising (to me) article: > Article 35. Citizens of the People's Republic of China enjoy freedom of speech, of the press, of assembly, of association, of procession and of demonstration. [0] Also, from the introduction section of the Wikipedi…

The Constitution of China changes every few years. There’s no enforcement or practical meaning at all

Re: Chinese telecoms must use "AI and other technical means" to identify phone users

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Post by dangCanGetRaped » Tue, Dec 03, 2019, 7:34 AM UTC

Open war will be the only way to resolve this.

It doesn't look like anything less will clamp down on invasive technologies.

People will start killing themselves and each other to escape the designs of such bitter hell.

Re: Chinese telecoms must use "AI and other technical means" to identify phone users

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Post by rambojazz » Tue, Dec 03, 2019, 7:57 AM UTC

MrBuddyCasino wrote: post #11

They are already monitoring the chat apps. If you say unseemly things, expect this: https://twitter.com/intypython/status/1200466904734785536?s=... Edit: changed link to original source

Is this serious? I don't understand if it is a joke.

Re: Chinese telecoms must use "AI and other technical means" to identify phone users

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Post by mindblock » Tue, Dec 03, 2019, 8:05 AM UTC

CryptoBanker wrote: post #172

int_19h wrote: post #170

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I would recommend looking up the crime stats for USSR. There's a very big difference between the perception and the reality there.

I would imagine there's also a very big difference between the reported stats and what the reality is

I would imagine there is also a very big differeence between the USSR reported numbers and western estimates. Not sure what the reality you speak of is.

Re: Chinese telecoms must use "AI and other technical means" to identify phone users

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Post by CaptainZapp » Tue, Dec 03, 2019, 9:32 AM UTC

TeMPOraL wrote: post #177

Enginerrrd wrote: post #176

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I don't think e-mail spam is solved. It's largely just evolved to a non-competitive market where if you don't go with a major provider you'll forever be battling overzealous spam detection which flags your organization's email as spam. ...And you've lost some anonymity and flexibility.

It's solved for an average person. If you go with a major provider, spam barely exists at all. And even if you go with a smaller provider (like e.g. Fastmail), you barely notice any spam either.

I think he's more referring to the problem, where your email sent from a small(ish) provider is flagged by the big boys as spam.

Google is quite notorious for their ever changing goal posts regarding email reception. And if your mail is flagged as spam (and based on my own experience the AI behind it is not very intelligent) the only thing you get back is an automated response with completely and utterly useless "support" links.

So while spam may be solved on an individual user level, it's certainly not on the meta level.

Re: Chinese telecoms must use "AI and other technical means" to identify phone users

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Post by finnthehuman » Tue, Dec 03, 2019, 1:25 PM UTC

TeMPOraL wrote: post #177

Enginerrrd wrote: post #176

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think e-mail spam is solved. It's largely just evolved to a non-competitive market where if you don't go with a major provider you'll forever be battling overzealous spam detection which flags your organization's email as spam. ...And you've lost some anonymity and flexibility.

It's solved for an average person. If you go with a major provider, spam barely exists at all. And even if you go with a smaller provider (like e.g. Fastmail), you barely notice any spam either.

No, it’s not. My gmail inbox is overflowing with spam to the point that I frequently miss important messages because they’re buried in marketing garbage.

That’s not even counting the business related ham google classifies as spam because the sender doesn’t buy email services from people that specialize in making sure marketing trash hits gmail inboxes.

Re: Chinese telecoms must use "AI and other technical means" to identify phone users

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Post by asdff » Tue, Dec 03, 2019, 5:42 PM UTC

TeMPOraL wrote: post #177

Enginerrrd wrote: post #176

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think e-mail spam is solved. It's largely just evolved to a non-competitive market where if you don't go with a major provider you'll forever be battling overzealous spam detection which flags your organization's email as spam. ...And you've lost some anonymity and flexibility.

It's solved for an average person. If you go with a major provider, spam barely exists at all. And even if you go with a smaller provider (like e.g. Fastmail), you barely notice any spam either.

Counterpoint: my burner gmail for account creation with 30k unread emails, mostly spam. Also so much spam gets into my university email accounts, much of it from predatory journals offering to publish anything and everything.

For the university accounts, I'd say only 80% gets trapped into the spam folder (my gmail is an absolute mess, however), but so does 5% of actual relevant emails and conversations, so I'm forced to inspect my spam folder pretty regularly which kinda defeats the purpose of hiding it from view.

Re: Chinese telecoms must use "AI and other technical means" to identify phone users

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Post by asdff » Tue, Dec 03, 2019, 5:50 PM UTC

MrBuddyCasino wrote: post #11

They are already monitoring the chat apps. If you say unseemly things, expect this: https://twitter.com/intypython/status/1200466904734785536?s=... Edit: changed link to original source

Is this even real? Subtitled interrogation video uploaded by an inflammatory twitter account where the line of questioning sounds more like disciplining a toddler than actual police?

Re: Chinese telecoms must use "AI and other technical means" to identify phone users

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Post by asdff » Tue, Dec 03, 2019, 5:54 PM UTC

proc0 wrote: post #49

I feel there are rising tensions in China between their pseudo-free market and their apparent attempts at controlling and micro-managing the lives of their people. It would seem the rise of their consumer economy would also give rise to a demand for more freedom on a day to day basis to allow for innovation. It's interesting to see China going simultaneously in both contradicting directions.

I can't imagine the cognitive dissonance required to go to university in the U.S. for 4 years then return to China after being exposed to uncensored media.

Re: Chinese telecoms must use "AI and other technical means" to identify phone users

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Post by CryptoBanker » Tue, Dec 03, 2019, 11:49 PM UTC

mindblock wrote: post #194

CryptoBanker wrote: post #172

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would imagine there's also a very big difference between the reported stats and what the reality is

I would imagine there is also a very big differeence between the USSR reported numbers and western estimates. Not sure what the reality you speak of is.

This one https://meduza.io/en/feature/2015/03/19/the-prettiest-crime-...