FDA bowed to industry for decades as alarms were sounded over talc • Hacker News Board

Re: FDA bowed to industry for decades as alarms were sounded over talc

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Post by ceejayoz » Tue, Dec 03, 2019, 4:55 PM UTC

mikestew wrote: post #10

It was over seventy years, after it was decided lead in fuel was a bad idea, before it was banned in road-going vehicles. [0] Keep that in mind when some politician or business owner goes on about "bureaucrats". Because "bureaucrats" to them means "someone who stands between me and more profits". "Bureaucrats" to you should mean "people that make sure this shit gets enforced". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tetraethyl…

See also: the two-decade war against airbags in cars.

https://www.csmonitor.com/1988/0519/abelt.html

Re: FDA bowed to industry for decades as alarms were sounded over talc

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Post by loceng » Tue, Dec 03, 2019, 5:05 PM UTC

To bring a new fight to the attention of more of the public: big pharma is attempting to have the FDA prevent people from using their own stem cells for healing via regenerative medicine - either fat or bone marrow derived. They want to force centralization and also for consumers to buy the stem cell products they're developing. Their arguments are fear mongering and non-sense, however they've so far been doing a good job manipulating the FDA.

Re: FDA bowed to industry for decades as alarms were sounded over talc

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Post by costcopizza » Tue, Dec 03, 2019, 5:09 PM UTC

And we can't vote these regulators out nor boycott them.

Stories like this erode my faith in...everything.

Re: FDA bowed to industry for decades as alarms were sounded over talc

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Post by costcopizza » Tue, Dec 03, 2019, 5:09 PM UTC

loceng wrote: post #12

To bring a new fight to the attention of more of the public: big pharma is attempting to have the FDA prevent people from using their own stem cells for healing via regenerative medicine - either fat or bone marrow derived. They want to force centralization and also for consumers to buy the stem cell products they're developing. Their arguments are fear mongering and non-sense, however they've so far been doing a goo…

Any links or ways to push back on this?

Re: FDA bowed to industry for decades as alarms were sounded over talc

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Post by jaredandrews » Tue, Dec 03, 2019, 5:20 PM UTC

Good interview with a lawyer working on this case: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FM-4ZoM2rv8

Re: FDA bowed to industry for decades as alarms were sounded over talc

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Post by ceejayoz » Tue, Dec 03, 2019, 5:24 PM UTC

loceng wrote: post #12

To bring a new fight to the attention of more of the public: big pharma is attempting to have the FDA prevent people from using their own stem cells for healing via regenerative medicine - either fat or bone marrow derived. They want to force centralization and also for consumers to buy the stem cell products they're developing. Their arguments are fear mongering and non-sense, however they've so far been doing a goo…

Without citations, this is pegging my woo-meter.

A stem cell treatment provider recently lost a court case where they argued they're not subject to FDA approval, claiming it's not a medication, drug, or treatment. That seems like an untenable position to me.

Re: FDA bowed to industry for decades as alarms were sounded over talc

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Post by merpnderp » Tue, Dec 03, 2019, 5:27 PM UTC

mikestew wrote: post #10

It was over seventy years, after it was decided lead in fuel was a bad idea, before it was banned in road-going vehicles. [0] Keep that in mind when some politician or business owner goes on about "bureaucrats". Because "bureaucrats" to them means "someone who stands between me and more profits". "Bureaucrats" to you should mean "people that make sure this shit gets enforced". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tetraethyl…

When these regulators stop "retiring" to cushy jobs in the industry, I'll believe it's the politicians and not the regulators openly taking bribes in the form of future "jobs".

An easy fix would be for congress to pass a law preventing regulators from working in the industry they regulated, but then the politicians wouldn't also receive those same cushy "jobs".

Re: FDA bowed to industry for decades as alarms were sounded over talc

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Post by cde-v » Tue, Dec 03, 2019, 5:28 PM UTC

costcopizza wrote: post #13

And we can't vote these regulators out nor boycott them. Stories like this erode my faith in...everything.

Don't despair citizen, our corporate benefactors still allow us to Peacefully Protest™. Peaceful Protest™ solves everything!

Re: FDA bowed to industry for decades as alarms were sounded over talc

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Post by ceejayoz » Tue, Dec 03, 2019, 5:29 PM UTC

costcopizza wrote: post #13

And we can't vote these regulators out nor boycott them. Stories like this erode my faith in...everything.

We vote for the people who appoint the regulators, and we can boycott the industry responsible for the regulatory capture.

Re: FDA bowed to industry for decades as alarms were sounded over talc

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Post by loudmax » Tue, Dec 03, 2019, 5:36 PM UTC

costcopizza wrote: post #13

And we can't vote these regulators out nor boycott them. Stories like this erode my faith in...everything.

You can absolutely vote out the politicians responsible for for giving authority to these regulators. In fact, it's your duty to vote out crooked politicians. Even when both candidates for an office are crooked, they won't be equally crooked. Figure out which will do the least damage and support that candidate despite their flaws.

And don't give up hope. Crooked interests are absolutely counting on voters' cynicism to allow them to operate.