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Clear backpacks, monitored emails: U.S. students under constant surveillance

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Post by homonculus1 »

Thriptic wrote: post #422
bobbles wrote: post #389

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Comments like this look absolutely insane to anyone outside the US. Look at the numbers: https://edition.cnn.com/2018/05/21/us/school-shooting-us-ver...

I agree, let's look at the numbers. ~ 300 school shootings in ten years averages out to 30 a year. There are about 100,000 schools in the US. That's a risk rate of 0.03% per school per year risk. Considering that very few people within a given school die per attack, this means that your risk of being killed in a school shooting is basically negligible. Further, your article talks about ANY shooting on school grounds…

>(and because some media outlets have readership that is in favor of strict gun control so it will play well)

Don't forget ownership. Bloomberg never discloses that their owner has spent hundreds of millions to circumvent 2A when they cover mass shootings or gun politics.

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Post by shadowgovt »

hcurtiss wrote: post #450
shadowgovt wrote: post #289

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... but it's a price generally paid by people other than the person who is armed in peacetime.

I disagree. Fortunately for me, I have the benefit of the Second Amendment, which shifts the burden squarely to those who would deny the right, presumably by further constitutional amendment.

Support for repeal of the 2nd Amendment is at 20%, which is far higher than I, for one, would anticipate for a fundamental Constitutional right. For comparison, 12% of Americans answered "Do you agree or disagree? Homosexual couples should have the right to marry one another?" with "Agree" in 1988.

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Post by t-writescode »

asdff wrote: post #478
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Bad places. But no one will care, because as long as you’re a good little obedient humming bee that doesn’t make noise outside the status quo, you will be safe and fine and ignored. Fahrenheit 451 is a view of that future.

In China, definitely. They are halfway there, using Orwell's 1984 as a playbook now that the right tech innovations have made big brother surveillance possible. Will it happen in the U.S.? Definitely not. Political influence on daily life is astoundingly weak here compared to China. Government is far more efficient in China too and can manage big projects like this (whereas the U.S. recently took 100 years to build a…

Fahrenheit 451 is a very, very different book from 1984. Pleasure and an obsession with non-offense eventually lead to where they were in that story.

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Post by foldr »

justadudeama wrote: post #372
foldr wrote: post #351

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>What would you call the police officer that came with a gun? Superfluous, in this instance. It clearly would have been possible to arrest the guy without shooting him. (I believe that they only shot him on the off chance that the suicide vest was real.)

Two things: 1. > off chance the suicide vest was real Would you argue that what the police officer did was wrong here? Is lethal force not justified with the credible threat of violence? I would argue that someone threatening you with a Airsoft gun with the tip taken out so it appears to be a real gun is enough to justify deadly force in self defense, you don't have to verify that gun is real. In hindsight, it is cle…

Aren't these tangents? I didn't say that they shouldn't have shot him, just that it clearly wasn't necessary to shoot him in order to remove the threat. (It's obviously possible to apprehend someone armed only with a knife without shooting them.)

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Post by foldr »

philwelch wrote: post #379
foldr wrote: post #371

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>Because you’re comparing a continent-wide federation to a tiny island-sized country. I really don't see what you're getting at here. You yourself have been making (irrelevant) comparisons to France, which has about the same population as the UK. There is no such size as "island-sized". Islands can be big or small. >No, they just colonized Africa and disenfranchised them there. Totally different. Indeed, this is comp…

> I really don't see what you're getting at here. You yourself have been making (irrelevant) comparisons to France, which has about the same population as the UK. I’m comparing the US as a whole to Europe as a whole. If you want to cherry-pick the best example of Europe, maybe I should cherry-pick one of the northern states that abolished slavery and enfranchised black people in the early 19th century. If you get to…

You were not comparing the US as a whole to Europe as a whole.

It is not clear to me what point your are intending to make with this array of different comparisons.

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Post by foldr »

kissickas wrote: post #404
foldr wrote: post #320

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>major US metropolitan areas that have gun control They don't have gun control in the sense that the UK and most other European countries have gun control. You can even get a permit to carry a concealed weapon in NYC, for example.

NYC has an impressively low homicide rate, if there is such a thing, and has become a very safe city in the last decade or two. https://www.wsj.com/articles/new-york-citys-murder-rate-hit-...

Yes, so what?

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Post by foldr »

giancarlostoro wrote: post #400
foldr wrote: post #278

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>The people restraining him were armed with a fire extinguisher and a narwhal tusk I.e., whatever objects happened to be at hand. I don't think you'd have much luck using a fire extinguisher against someone with an assault rifle. >Also, since banning guns didn’t actually seem to fix anything Hmm? There have been no mass killings in schools since the handgun ban. What was anyone expecting it to fix that it hasn't fixe…

> I.e., whatever objects happened to be at hand. I don't think you'd have much luck using a fire extinguisher against someone with an assault rifle. A rifle is not automatically an assault rifle... But also, if law abiding citizens have their own guns, they can shoot a mad shooter before they cause too much damage.

I said "assault rifle".

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Post by foldr »

SlowRobotAhead wrote: post #381
foldr wrote: post #320

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>major US metropolitan areas that have gun control They don't have gun control in the sense that the UK and most other European countries have gun control. You can even get a permit to carry a concealed weapon in NYC, for example.

> You can even get a permit to carry a concealed weapon in NYC Ok, I’ll do it for you. Rural crime in USA is 2.0 - 3.5 / 100k in USA depending on region. Where all the guns are, the shootings aren’t. NYC... for example... SHALL ISSUE state, you’re effectively wrong. Only the connected and elite can get carry permits in NYC. That’ll change soon with the latest SC case coming up. You’re right, it’s not “the same” gun c…

> Where all the guns are, the shootings aren’t.

So there are shootings without guns?

Norway and France both have vastly fewer shooting deaths per year than the US.

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Post by foldr »

cardiffspaceman wrote: post #440
foldr wrote: post #363

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>Scenes like this are commonplace What's your basis for saying that they're commonplace? One silly tweet doesn't really show anything.

> Scenes like this The link points to one example. The OP didn't support their assertion that constables commonly confiscate screwdrivers during weapons sweeps, but I don't think OP intended the picture prove that, just to show the definition of "weapon" in use.

The picture doesn't show the definition of 'weapon' in common use, as it's an isolated example.
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