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How Facebook Avoids Ad Blockers

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Re: How Facebook Avoids Ad Blockers

#171

I'm surprised I haven't seen a single comment say what ought to be the obvious: the easiest way to never see Facebook ads is to just not use Facebook. I should hope I'm preaching to the choir, I'm sure, but... quitting really isn't as hard as you tell yourself it is. It's not as essential as you think it is.

I’m involved in a couple of IRL groups where Facebook is the only way events get announced. I don’t think there’s a good way to delete Facebook and still learn about those events.

Re: How Facebook Avoids Ad Blockers

#172

To me this is very simple, if someone installs an ad or tracking blocker then they are explicitly withdrawing consent, there is absolutely no ambiguity about it. Doing it anyway or de-anonymising them or anything else is impossible to do without equally explicitly knowing that you are violating consent. And every Facebook employee must know it.

You gave consent to see ads when you signed up. Why would the presence of an ad blocker withdraw that consent?

Re: How Facebook Avoids Ad Blockers

#173
post #127

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Can you explain what is wrong with engineers working on problems like these? As I see this, it allows businesses to connect with more people, therefore being more profitable, therefore making economy grow in general. I just don't understand this hate towards developers who work for companies like FB and Google and whose job is focusing on increasing ad engagement. In my opinion, they definitely provide a hugely posit…

When I visit https://www.facebook.com/careers/ the first things it says are "Do the Most Meaningful Work of Your Career, [...] We design products and deliver services that bring the world closer together - one connection at a time [...] We encourage our people to be bold and solve the problems they care most about. [...] Together, we help others build stronger communities" Does working on anti-ad-blocking seem like t…

That wasn't my point. And actually I am not sure what are you trying to say with your reply cause it's not related to what I was saying. My point was that those engineers working on those problems have a good impact on economy as a whole. Efficient engaging ads are great for everyone, it's great for growth.

> To me, if I was promised "the most meaningful work of my career" then I was assigned to anti-ad-blocking I wouldn't feel my Facebook career was delivering on that promise.

Then you could easily just quit.

Re: How Facebook Avoids Ad Blockers

#174

I'm surprised I haven't seen a single comment say what ought to be the obvious: the easiest way to never see Facebook ads is to just not use Facebook. I should hope I'm preaching to the choir, I'm sure, but... quitting really isn't as hard as you tell yourself it is. It's not as essential as you think it is.

I'd like to add that it is not necessary to leave Facebook to not use Facebook. I have a FB account and I'll never close it, because I like having my username on all online services I might use if once. That being said I only have it logged in at a home desktop, not my phone, not any work machine. I use it for like two minutes weekly, one to check a few specialty groups I'm a lurker in and two to co-admin a page with…

> You can have a Facebook account and only use it when it benefits you and not Facebook.

I used to think so too, but then I realized that Facebook would let people add me to group chats or something without my knowledge and that these people would then blindly assume that I had read the messages in those chat groups. I find that "I have a Facebook account but I almost never log in" tends to get misunderstood, whereas "I no longer have a Facebook account" gets the message across quite clearly.

Re: How Facebook Avoids Ad Blockers

#175

To me this is very simple, if someone installs an ad or tracking blocker then they are explicitly withdrawing consent, there is absolutely no ambiguity about it. Doing it anyway or de-anonymising them or anything else is impossible to do without equally explicitly knowing that you are violating consent. And every Facebook employee must know it.

You gave consent to see ads when you signed up. Why would the presence of an ad blocker withdraw that consent?

Because GDPR states that consent can be withdrawn at any time, and that provision of services can not be tied to consent. That’s the law here in Wales.

Re: How Facebook Avoids Ad Blockers

#176

I'm surprised I haven't seen a single comment say what ought to be the obvious: the easiest way to never see Facebook ads is to just not use Facebook. I should hope I'm preaching to the choir, I'm sure, but... quitting really isn't as hard as you tell yourself it is. It's not as essential as you think it is.

I'm anticipating a transition from filtering to scrapping. I've already switched to "reader mode" and RSS feeds as much as possible. Mostly for ad avoidance and battery guarding.

I'm also anticipating applying differential debugging techniques to automatically compile ad blocking filter lists. View the top X sites via multiple personas, diff the content, anything static is more likely not ads.

Re: How Facebook Avoids Ad Blockers

#177
post #131

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I typically use 0.0.0.0 rather than 127.0.0.1, then it's not even reachable.

Genuine question, it can't possibly be reachable on 127 anyway can it? Put another way, what's the difference between 0 and 127 here? What makes it safer? TIA

For 127.0.0.1 it will try to connect and fail, either right away or on timeout depending on the on-box firewall setup.

For 0.0.0.0 it won't even try to connect (or fail instantly depending on how you look at it).

Re: How Facebook Avoids Ad Blockers

#179

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Things I pragmatically need Facebook (including Messenger) for: - My martial arts classes post updates there - So does the community garden I help out at - Keeping up with family news, and directly talking to family - Keeping up with what's happening to my friends in the USA or other far flung places - Access to topical news that matches my political beliefs rather than being heavily centrist-biased and ignoring all…

Create bookmarks directly to those pages and ignore the news feed.

Missing the bit where I want the news feed.

Re: How Facebook Avoids Ad Blockers

#180
post #166

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I'd like to add that it is not necessary to leave Facebook to not use Facebook. I have a FB account and I'll never close it, because I like having my username on all online services I might use if once. That being said I only have it logged in at a home desktop, not my phone, not any work machine. I use it for like two minutes weekly, one to check a few specialty groups I'm a lurker in and two to co-admin a page with…

>Oh and I use it in a Firefox Facebook container so I'm not at all worried about it tracking me online. You think that once you log in to FB in a container -- Facebook can't track you? Those container details are now appendage to your online fingerprint as far as Facebook are concerned. Containers only work if you don't actually log in to such services. The only sure way for FB to not track you is to not use FB at al…

You're of course correct, they can still see that I'm a container user because they can only even see me accessing Facebook directly, but fail to see any activity from other pages loading the like buttons and their other tracking crap. So that's a data point to them. Another is that I've disabled the "app platform" or whatever they call it in my profile settings before, so I didn't see their online tentacles to being with and keeping them contained is just to keep them honest (the "do not use app platform" toggle is similar to "do not track" in this regard). But they can't do much with the profile they build on me: they know I'm a container using, ad-blocking, Facebook-barely-using, well-off (I participate in a group about an expensive hobby) dude who they failed to generate a single click off in their entire lifetime. That's not-being-tracked enough for me. Getting protection from tracking beyond that is not IMO scalably solvable using techological means and crosses over to the regulatory realm.
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