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The FBI considers FaceApp to be a potential counterintelligence threat [pdf]

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Re: The FBI considers FaceApp to be a potential counterintelligence threat [pdf]

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post #96

The best measure would be for “good actors” (universities, government research agencies, the New York Times) to provide a free FaceApp-type app. It’s like a weekend-hackathon of work and can be prioritized by the app stores.

Any reason why you singled out the NYT specifically?

Their interactive data-journalism featurettes implies they have coders.

Re: The FBI considers FaceApp to be a potential counterintelligence threat [pdf]

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post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>The potential threat is for someone at Candidate_1's campaign taking selfies with the app, that then uploads them to Russian servers where the Russian government can see them and can also see what's in the background (sensitive documents?) good old days just less than 20 years ago back at Sun when we were strictly instructed that the computer monitors must be off when the photos would be taken. How times and basic n…

Is President Trump representative of modern opsec norms?

i think it is close to it. I mean for example that FBI guy - Peter Strzok - who led investigation into Clinton's mishandling of emails was himself officially found in flagrant violations of classified information handling policies in particular for storing the classified documents on his personal unencrypted devices, etc.. Somehow i don't think that Strzok is just an exception at FBI - he spent 21 years there after all - , no, he is just the one who got caught because he attracted attention (by his anti-Trump and pro-Clinton text messages on his FBI issued phone while investigating Clinton emails and Trump-Russia collusion - speaking about opsec again :)

Re: The FBI considers FaceApp to be a potential counterintelligence threat [pdf]

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I know it's against the rules to tell people to read the article, but I would encourage everyone to read the article. It specifically says this is a potential threat to > "elected officials, candidates, political campaigns, [and] political parties" not to the general public. The potential threat is for someone at Candidate_1's campaign taking selfies with the app, that then uploads them to Russian servers where the R…

I wonder how long that is the only threat.

I knew someone volunteering for a senate campaign. They noted their personal email suddenly had what looked like a lot of spear phishing type emails.

Re: The FBI considers FaceApp to be a potential counterintelligence threat [pdf]

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post #105

I know it's against the rules to tell people to read the article, but I would encourage everyone to read the article. It specifically says this is a potential threat to > "elected officials, candidates, political campaigns, [and] political parties" not to the general public. The potential threat is for someone at Candidate_1's campaign taking selfies with the app, that then uploads them to Russian servers where the R…

>Russian government can see them and can also see what's in the background (sensitive documents?) or see geo-location It feels like a boy scout camp rather than government then. The same for a bunch of emails that ‘interfered’ with true democratic elections. If your organization is so fragile that revealing a tip of your pants makes everyone wonder if they are clean, then maybe that is what needs to be fixed, not som…

Never underestimate the ability of the US government to lay blame elsewhere! (1) (2)

(1) Or any human for that matter

(2) I am an American

Re: The FBI considers FaceApp to be a potential counterintelligence threat [pdf]

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Let me be clear up front: I'm questioning your motives.

Every citizen of a democracy is a political actor and a participant in the economy and society. The Russians are agnostic, just like our intelligence services. They'll target economic actors, political actors, anyone on the social graph that looks potentially useful. In a world of micro-transactions, targeted advertising, and fake news, that's pretty much anyone.

The only point of the quote you excerpted is that's the bright line at which the FBI would directly spend taxpayer dollars to insert themselves into this issue. If you're trying to tell people they shouldn't worry about FaceApp because they're a member of the "general public", I worry that you are intentionally misdirecting citizens of a democratic society.

Re: The FBI considers FaceApp to be a potential counterintelligence threat [pdf]

#116

I know it's against the rules to tell people to read the article, but I would encourage everyone to read the article. It specifically says this is a potential threat to > "elected officials, candidates, political campaigns, [and] political parties" not to the general public. The potential threat is for someone at Candidate_1's campaign taking selfies with the app, that then uploads them to Russian servers where the R…

> a hostile foreign government who has already hacked American elections once and is planning to do it again

What do you mean by hacked? There is no evidence that any vote counts were changed. So I don't think the election was hacked. The only evidence of any hacking was the theft of DNC emails, but even then the DNC has never turned over the servers they say were hacked to the FBI. And Crowdstrike retracted key parts of their report on the supposed hacking.

Certainly I think the Russian government would love to control the outcome of American elections, and they probably try daily to do that. But saying that they or anyone else hacked American elections is a stretch.

I'm not saying this with any political motivation. I'm just trying to interpret the facts of what happened in 2016.

Re: The FBI considers FaceApp to be a potential counterintelligence threat [pdf]

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post #109
post #106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s worth noting that the heads of CIA, FBI, NSA, DHS and the Justice Department have all confirmed the Russian government are currently actively engaged in ongoing global disinformation campaigns propagated primarily on social media designed to sway elections in democracies abroad. It’s beyond dispute. The Russian government has breached confidentiality.

US intelligence agencies do the same, no? The country intervening in most foreign elections is the United States with 81 interventions, followed by Russia (including the former Soviet Union) with 36 interventions from 1946 to 2000—an average of once in every nine competitive elections [1] [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_electoral_intervention

"US intelligence agencies do the same, no?"

Yes, definitely, again another thing beyond dispute. Not sure what the point is you're trying to make though.

Re: The FBI considers FaceApp to be a potential counterintelligence threat [pdf]

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Let me be clear up front: I'm questioning your motives. Every citizen of a democracy is a political actor and a participant in the economy and society. The Russians are agnostic, just like our intelligence services. They'll target economic actors, political actors, anyone on the social graph that looks potentially useful. In a world of micro-transactions, targeted advertising, and fake news, that's pretty much anyone…

Looks like these ‘questioning motives’ comments are becoming more prevalent in HN.

Which is horrible, because you judge by what is said or done, not accusing people of wrong think/motive. It’s akin to self censorship, the suppression of view points in the name of ‘protecting freedom/democracy’

There will be hostile forces and actors, but we cannot lower ourselves down to their level to fight them because it’s convenient, while sacrificing our own value in doing so. In which case, we would have lost before we even begin.

Re: The FBI considers FaceApp to be a potential counterintelligence threat [pdf]

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post #110
post #18

The article does not match the headline. The FBI letter only calls it a "potential" threat, meaning maybe it is a threat, maybe not.

Yes so buyer beware. Russian government currently engaged in global disinformation campaigns, use app at your own risk.

The CIA is now, and always has been, engaged in global disinfo campaigns. Who cares? Isn’t what’s good the the goose also good for the gander?
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