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The FBI considers FaceApp to be a potential counterintelligence threat [pdf]

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Re: The FBI considers FaceApp to be a potential counterintelligence threat [pdf]

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post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>The potential threat is for someone at Candidate_1's campaign taking selfies with the app, that then uploads them to Russian servers where the Russian government can see them and can also see what's in the background (sensitive documents?) good old days just less than 20 years ago back at Sun when we were strictly instructed that the computer monitors must be off when the photos would be taken. How times and basic n…

Is President Trump representative of modern opsec norms?

No. He is representative of a self-aggrandizing moron.

Re: The FBI considers FaceApp to be a potential counterintelligence threat [pdf]

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post #73

I know it's against the rules to tell people to read the article, but I would encourage everyone to read the article. It specifically says this is a potential threat to > "elected officials, candidates, political campaigns, [and] political parties" not to the general public. The potential threat is for someone at Candidate_1's campaign taking selfies with the app, that then uploads them to Russian servers where the R…

>The potential threat is for someone at Candidate_1's campaign taking selfies with the app, that then uploads them to Russian servers where the Russian government can see them and can also see what's in the background (sensitive documents?) good old days just less than 20 years ago back at Sun when we were strictly instructed that the computer monitors must be off when the photos would be taken. How times and basic n…

To be more precise, it seems to be a photo of what 'experts' say is 'almost certainly' an image from a 'classified' satellite or drone.

Re: The FBI considers FaceApp to be a potential counterintelligence threat [pdf]

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post #9

Plenty of chinese apps under "utility" category is flooding the us consumers...

Notably ES File Explorer was recently removed form the Google play store because of suspicious behavior. One of the most popular Android file managers.

I bought microSD reader off Amazon, which has two dongle ends, one USB type A for a computer, one Lightning, for my iPhone. According to the included instructions, it required me to download an app (from the Apple app store) to use on the the iPhone. I didn't trust the App, even with Apple's scans, so I ended up using it with my already-owned Camera Connection Kit (Lightning to USB Host) adapter just fine. The name of the app was something very similar, if not identical, to that name, which is what reminded me of it.

It seems fishy that the Apple provided Files app didn't recognized my SD card

Re: The FBI considers FaceApp to be a potential counterintelligence threat [pdf]

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post #75
post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can apps still get information that identifies the specific device? If so, another possible threat model could be more about identifying who uses what device rather than anything specifically in the photos themselves. For example, I already have a database of high value target's faces built from political sources like house.gov. Now I do facial recognition between that set of faces and the FaceApp faces. That allows…

Current-gen devices provide an advertising id. It's unique to the device but can be reset to a new random value by the owner in the OS settings.

I think they're talking about just what device they have and OS version (but that's available in the user-agent anyways[0]), since that tells an adversary what exploits to purchase or put resources into developing. Who knows, maybe 30% of congress people haven't yet upgraded to an iPhone with the A12/A13 chip (which can't be exploited via the checkm8 exploit).

0: https://developers.whatismybrowser.com/useragents/explore/so...

Re: The FBI considers FaceApp to be a potential counterintelligence threat [pdf]

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I know it's against the rules to tell people to read the article, but I would encourage everyone to read the article. It specifically says this is a potential threat to > "elected officials, candidates, political campaigns, [and] political parties" not to the general public. The potential threat is for someone at Candidate_1's campaign taking selfies with the app, that then uploads them to Russian servers where the R…

>Russian government can see them and can also see what's in the background (sensitive documents?) or see geo-location

It feels like a boy scout camp rather than government then. The same for a bunch of emails that ‘interfered’ with true democratic elections. If your organization is so fragile that revealing a tip of your pants makes everyone wonder if they are clean, then maybe that is what needs to be fixed, not someone who posts pictures of it to the internets (in this case provides a REST API for you to do that). However evil my country’s govt will ever be, the level of this nonsense is pushing the heliopause.

Re: The FBI considers FaceApp to be a potential counterintelligence threat [pdf]

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post #81
post #5

Looks like the FBI designated FaceApp as a threat because of its crazy data policy and its Russian origin. Even though I think it's a really shady app, that's a pretty low bar.

I think FaceApp should be hosted on an AWS-like infrastructure. Hosting in Russia is expensive and does not provide any advantages, such as dynamic routing that is crucial for world-wide app. Most developers use it to comply with Russian standards: you only need to store information about Russian users on Russian servers. In addition, currently in Russia there are no good alternatives for reliable cloud neural networ…

It’s worth noting that the heads of CIA, FBI, NSA, DHS and the Justice Department have all confirmed the Russian government are currently actively engaged in ongoing global disinformation campaigns propagated primarily on social media designed to sway elections in democracies abroad.

It’s beyond dispute.

The Russian government has breached confidentiality.

Re: The FBI considers FaceApp to be a potential counterintelligence threat [pdf]

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post #81
post #5

Looks like the FBI designated FaceApp as a threat because of its crazy data policy and its Russian origin. Even though I think it's a really shady app, that's a pretty low bar.

I think FaceApp should be hosted on an AWS-like infrastructure. Hosting in Russia is expensive and does not provide any advantages, such as dynamic routing that is crucial for world-wide app. Most developers use it to comply with Russian standards: you only need to store information about Russian users on Russian servers. In addition, currently in Russia there are no good alternatives for reliable cloud neural networ…

>I think FaceApp should be hosted on an AWS-like infrastructure.

>Hosting in Russia is expensive and does not provide any advantages

Hosting in top .ru DCs like Selectel is vastly cheaper than on any AWS-likes. These are extremely different products though.

Re: The FBI considers FaceApp to be a potential counterintelligence threat [pdf]

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post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Notably ES File Explorer was recently removed form the Google play store because of suspicious behavior. One of the most popular Android file managers.

I bought microSD reader off Amazon, which has two dongle ends, one USB type A for a computer, one Lightning, for my iPhone. According to the included instructions, it required me to download an app (from the Apple app store) to use on the the iPhone. I didn't trust the App, even with Apple's scans, so I ended up using it with my already-owned Camera Connection Kit (Lightning to USB Host) adapter just fine. The name o…

Someone please correct me if I'm mistaken, but this is/was a limitation imposed by Apple before iOS 13. On iOS 13 (on an ipad pro at least) you can now access an SD card via files, but before that it was Photos or a bespoke app from the manufacturer only. I've not tried on an iphone recently.

Re: The FBI considers FaceApp to be a potential counterintelligence threat [pdf]

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post #106
post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think FaceApp should be hosted on an AWS-like infrastructure. Hosting in Russia is expensive and does not provide any advantages, such as dynamic routing that is crucial for world-wide app. Most developers use it to comply with Russian standards: you only need to store information about Russian users on Russian servers. In addition, currently in Russia there are no good alternatives for reliable cloud neural networ…

It’s worth noting that the heads of CIA, FBI, NSA, DHS and the Justice Department have all confirmed the Russian government are currently actively engaged in ongoing global disinformation campaigns propagated primarily on social media designed to sway elections in democracies abroad. It’s beyond dispute. The Russian government has breached confidentiality.

US intelligence agencies do the same, no?

The country intervening in most foreign elections is the United States with 81 interventions, followed by Russia (including the former Soviet Union) with 36 interventions from 1946 to 2000—an average of once in every nine competitive elections [1]

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_electoral_intervention

Re: The FBI considers FaceApp to be a potential counterintelligence threat [pdf]

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post #18

The article does not match the headline. The FBI letter only calls it a "potential" threat, meaning maybe it is a threat, maybe not.

Yes so buyer beware. Russian government currently engaged in global disinformation campaigns, use app at your own risk.
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