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The FBI considers FaceApp to be a potential counterintelligence threat [pdf]

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Re: The FBI considers FaceApp to be a potential counterintelligence threat [pdf]

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There is no threat model for an iPhone app to do nefarious things in an App Store distributed app on a non-jailbroken phone. At most, FaceApp grabs the picture you uploaded and some minor meta-data that every app using an analytics tool (read: all of them) collects. This is political grand-standing at best, and would be a non-issue if you replaced the geographic location of the dev team with any other countries I get…

By "non-jailbroken" you should mean "jailbreakable": it is the existence of the vulnerability that makes the phone insecure, not the user having used an exploit to leverage that vulnerability to do something for them. Like, for no avoidance of doubt: if you are running a version of iOS for which you can download an app-based jailbreak (which has been all jailbreaks for current phones that have been released for years now, all reliant on sandbox escapes), the issue is that the attacker jailbreaks your phone, not that you do; and also, to be explicit, as people also often confuse this, the code I would put in an app for a "back door" capable of letting me jailbreak remotely would not look like exploit code but would look like an innocent bug: maybe a vtable use after free bug on my stack while parsing a network response for which I knew the location of all the required ROP gadgets to exploit (put different "if you want to put a back door in software, just leave yourself a vulnerability you know how to exploit, and then claim you weren't evil, you were just bad at memory management or concurrency... like everyone else).

Re: The FBI considers FaceApp to be a potential counterintelligence threat [pdf]

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Seems like the only thing uploaded is your picture. I'd be curious to see what data it actually collects from your phone otherwise but just a photo feels pretty innocuous

Having a database of peoples picture is a huge asset for Russian intelligence. They can use facial recognition to enhance their visual surveillance efforts.

Seems like that information is already largely public just not linked publicly to your phone information.

Re: The FBI considers FaceApp to be a potential counterintelligence threat [pdf]

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There is no threat model for an iPhone app to do nefarious things in an App Store distributed app on a non-jailbroken phone. At most, FaceApp grabs the picture you uploaded and some minor meta-data that every app using an analytics tool (read: all of them) collects. This is political grand-standing at best, and would be a non-issue if you replaced the geographic location of the dev team with any other countries I get…

Too right.

Re: The FBI considers FaceApp to be a potential counterintelligence threat [pdf]

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Seems like the only thing uploaded is your picture. I'd be curious to see what data it actually collects from your phone otherwise but just a photo feels pretty innocuous

Having a database of peoples picture is a huge asset for Russian intelligence. They can use facial recognition to enhance their visual surveillance efforts.

That's silly. Just take a list of leaked emails and run that against gravatar and you'll probably get more photos. Run it through Luminati if you're afraid of getting IP blocked. Bam! You could have a hundred million avatars, most of which will be photos.

Then there's LinkedIn's public profiles, Github's public profiles, Twitter's profiles. This is just privacy theatre.

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Well Twitter and Facebook are American companies so it's obviously patriotic to give them your image and data. (/s)

It's certainly better than giving your face to sketchy apps from Russia or China.

It's not better to have your face or other data in a database within reach of your own government. Your government has power over you, other governments do not.

Re: The FBI considers FaceApp to be a potential counterintelligence threat [pdf]

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It's not clear what is the potential threat this specific app introduces. A nation state can easily perform facial recognition on the majority of the human race by scraping social media.

Many foreign nation states might have access to like, 500x400 pixel photos of people. Not 12 megapixel direct front selfie camera taken photos, where the person is intentionally trying to get the highest quality photo possible.

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Plenty of chinese apps under "utility" category is flooding the us consumers...

Notably ES File Explorer was recently removed form the Google play store because of suspicious behavior. One of the most popular Android file managers.

Re: The FBI considers FaceApp to be a potential counterintelligence threat [pdf]

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Are you sure Faceapp grabs only the photo you uploaded? “At most” implies it literally can’t grab more than that. But it seems like it can. It has access to all your photos, not just your camera.

Yes, I am sure that's all it can grab (on the iphone). Anyone telling you otherwise is fear-mongering Edit: Obligatory “why are you booing me, I’m right?”

Why are you sure that’s all it can grab? That seems mistaken on a technical level. “Can’t” and “doesn’t” is an important distinction.

We have seen lots of examples of ad analytics SDKs that push the iPhone beyond its intended sandbox. Most of them have been banned, but some operated for years before getting banned. It would be a disservice to brush away those concerns as fearmongering.

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