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Post by whoevercares »

AnimalMuppet wrote: post #167
eznoonze wrote: post #137

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Past 20-30 years as you said. Past performance is not a guarantee of future success. They don't have the same officials now as they did for the past few decades. Check out who the current ruler is and its background. This guy is a hardcore dictator who doesn't want to listen to any idea beside his own. And he's only got an elementary education. That's a recipe for failure.

From Wikipedia: > From 1975 to 1979, Xi studied chemical engineering at Beijing's Tsinghua University as a "Worker-Peasant-Soldier student". The engineering majors there spent about 15 percent of their time studying Marxism–Leninism–Mao Zedong thought and 5 percent of their time doing farm work and "learning from the People's Liberation Army". So, university education in chemical engineering, with 20% political conte…

It was a “recommendation” based system at the end of cultural revolution and Xi was mostly been assigned to study there without any qualifications. basically the university has stopped accepting students for 10 years at that time. The Chinese version of the wiki has detailed explanation of what “worker peasant solider” student was. Anyway I doubt he was able to learn anything given his education background.

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Post by CryptoBanker »

int_19h wrote: post #170
mc32 wrote: post #138

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I’m curious about one thing here. And maybe someone has ideas. Both China and Soviet Union (probably others too but I don’t know), pre-liberalization were your typical socialist state with lots of means to control people, so they did but... but people didn’t engage in much petty crime or gang crime. Those types of crimes were more or less very unusual. But in those same states today with more tools to control people,…

I would recommend looking up the crime stats for USSR. There's a very big difference between the perception and the reality there.

I would imagine there's also a very big difference between the reported stats and what the reality is

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Post by int_19h »

qxnqd wrote: post #93
Erwin wrote: post #68

SIM cards bought in Italy have long required showing photo ID in person and also some kind of SSN like number used for various financial transactions. I needed to acquire that fiscal SSN when buying wine from an Italian web shop but weirdly it's a computed value, not a unique ID you get from some organization: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italian_fiscal_code

SIM cards bought in Spain require you to show your ID card, which means the authorities can link such SIM to your name, your face, and your fingerprints.

It's very common around the world in general. That doesn't make it right, of course - it just means that the surveillance state is more widespread than commonly assumed.

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Post by TeMPOraL »

Enginerrrd wrote: post #113
devy wrote: post #110

Just offering another perspective than most others had done here: I grew up in China and have been in China a few times in the past 10 years - the amount of Robocalls and phone scams was overwhelming (in fact, it was so bad that dual SIM mobile phones became popular because you can have a disposable SIM card for non-essential website registrations and one for family members that you keep private use). I had my identi…

>It's nearly impossible to sign up for any Chinese website without giving your mobile phone number to complete the sign up. No wonder the robocalls and phone scams are overwhelming.

It's essentially the equivalent to western use of e-mail addresses, and e-mail spam was solved by a combination of technical hurdles, deep message inspection, bayesian statistics and penalization of anonymity.

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Post by Enginerrrd »

TeMPOraL wrote: post #174
Enginerrrd wrote: post #113

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>It's nearly impossible to sign up for any Chinese website without giving your mobile phone number to complete the sign up. No wonder the robocalls and phone scams are overwhelming.

It's essentially the equivalent to western use of e-mail addresses, and e-mail spam was solved by a combination of technical hurdles, deep message inspection, bayesian statistics and penalization of anonymity.

I don't think e-mail spam is solved. It's largely just evolved to a non-competitive market where if you don't go with a major provider you'll forever be battling overzealous spam detection which flags your organization's email as spam. ...And you've lost some anonymity and flexibility.

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Post by TeMPOraL »

Enginerrrd wrote: post #176
TeMPOraL wrote: post #174

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It's essentially the equivalent to western use of e-mail addresses, and e-mail spam was solved by a combination of technical hurdles, deep message inspection, bayesian statistics and penalization of anonymity.

I don't think e-mail spam is solved. It's largely just evolved to a non-competitive market where if you don't go with a major provider you'll forever be battling overzealous spam detection which flags your organization's email as spam. ...And you've lost some anonymity and flexibility.

It's solved for an average person. If you go with a major provider, spam barely exists at all. And even if you go with a smaller provider (like e.g. Fastmail), you barely notice any spam either.

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Post by equierisrer »

datashow wrote: post #160
mcv wrote: post #144

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We call them "totalitarian", but that doesn't mean the state actually has total control over society. Society is still made up of people. In totalitarian systems, there's still crime and corruption. They may get harshly punished, but the police still needs to uncover it first, and that takes time and resources, and may not always be easy. Take the Pooh Bear jokes about Xi. He'd love to be able to stop them, but he ca…

Of course Xi stopped Pooh Bear jokes in public space in mainland China. I am not sure what you are talking about. CPP police always know the small towns of the most robocall farms and phonescam bases. The reason they do not stop those is because local polices take share from crime money, which also contributes to local economy. If the CCP gang really wants to stop robocalls and phonescams, they only need to send a ta…

While Xi and his gang might not care, there are over 90 million people in the CCP. There are definitely people in there that care.

Those people are also able to introduce legislation.

It’s laughable to think everyone in a China thinks the same.

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Post by datashow »

equierisrer wrote: post #179
datashow wrote: post #160

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Of course Xi stopped Pooh Bear jokes in public space in mainland China. I am not sure what you are talking about. CPP police always know the small towns of the most robocall farms and phonescam bases. The reason they do not stop those is because local polices take share from crime money, which also contributes to local economy. If the CCP gang really wants to stop robocalls and phonescams, they only need to send a ta…

While Xi and his gang might not care, there are over 90 million people in the CCP. There are definitely people in there that care. Those people are also able to introduce legislation. It’s laughable to think everyone in a China thinks the same.

I am not sure how to respond to this troll. He/She literally created the account to just make this very weird comment.
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